From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 21:48:05 GMT-3
a wise CCIE told me, that the CCIE is the beginning, not the end........and
his name wasnt Yoda :)
josh
A
Josh Lauer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
To: <micsoniu@telus.net>
Cc: <tycampbell@comcast.net>; "john matijevic" <matijevi@bellsouth.net>;
"'Joseph D. Phillips'" <josephdphillips@fastmail.us>; "'Eric Hoffman'"
<skeetin@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> I never said that - don't put words in my mouth.
>
> I don't think the value of his CCIE certification has decreased,
> but his credibility to teach - and be an expert in the CCIE training
> space has. All of this while bashing successful vendors and
> instructors with multiple IE's - and much experience and
> knowledge That' s my personal opinion - and I'm sure that
> there are many people on this board who agree with me.
>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: micsoniu@telus.net
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:11:05 -0400
> To: Wayne Lawson groupstudy@ipexpert.net
> Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
>
> > So Wayne,
> >
> > The more attempts the less valuable is the CCIE certification ?
> >
> > I hope it's a joke ....
> >
> > Quoting Wayne Lawson <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>:
> >
> > > Ty,
> > >
> > > Thanks! - Have that SUCCESSFUL customer - now an IE - email
> > > success@ipexpert.com
> > > with his name, address and IE number - we'll get his free polo shirt
out
> > > today!
> > >
> > > Thanks - Wayne
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: tycampbell@comcast.net
> > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:31:21 -0400
> > > To: Wayne Lawson groupstudy@ipexpert.net
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> > >
> > > > IPExpert rocks!!!...
> > > > Everything in the workbook was on the lab...actually the workbook
was
> > > harder than the real lab. Oh...and I know at least one person that has
passed
> > > the lab that hasn't told Wayne yet :-)
> > > > All he used was IPExpert....and he had less than 5 attempts...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >
> > > > > Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number (after 5 attempts)
and
> > > then
> > > > > jumping
> > > > > right into the market like you're the king of the hill - all of
this
> > > while
> > > > > passively cutting
> > > > > down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's with lower
> > > numbers...
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products - I'd like you
to try
> > > to
> > > > > explain to me
> > > > > how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you seem to claim
below.
> > > In
> > > > > case you
> > > > > weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame Relay, RIP
and OSPF
> > > several
> > > > > years
> > > > > ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did you begin your
IE prep> > - and
> > > > > take your 1st
> > > > > attempt?). Some technologies and protocols remain the same while
some
> > > change.
> > > > > There isn't
> > > > > and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as you claim.
People
> > > are
> > > > > using it today,
> > > > > and they're still successful - as you saw below - from this
original
> > > post.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, when and if you ever get more than a few students who attend
your
> > > course
> > > > > - you'll
> > > > > realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track students. We
have
> > > several
> > > > > hundred
> > > > > students who have attended our classes over the past year - and
less than
> > > 15% of
> > > > > them
> > > > > report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to use a
"success rate"
> > >
> > > > > formula just won't
> > > > > provide the needed feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a guy just starting
out as
> > > a
> > > > > CCIE instructor,
> > > > > (again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really doesn't rate
enough to
> > > begin> > > > bashing
> > > > > established vendors with IE's on staff who are triple or quad
certified.
> > > If you
> > > > > want to run
> > > > > and establish a successful business - do it with character and
ethics.
> > > Don't
> > > > > cut down your
> > > > > competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists like some of
these
> > > vendors do
> > > > > - earn your
> > > > > respect and keep your mouth shut - your work, products or services
will
> > > speak
> > > > > for themselves.
> > > > > Spend the time, money and effort to establish a sales and
marketing plan
> > > - quit
> > > > > using a public
> > > > > mailing list as your means of reaching customers. it's cheap and
overdone
> > > on
> > > > > this newslist!
> > > > >
> > > > > Wayne Lawson
> > > > > President - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > From: "john matijevic" matijevi@bellsouth.net
> > > > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
> > > > > To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'" josephdphillips@fastmail.us
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Eric,
> > > > > > Congratulations for passing the exam even though it took you 6
times. I
> > >
> > > > > > had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a similar experience
to you
> > >
> > > > > > I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended more than 1
boot
> > > camp.
> > > > > > I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock lab workshop as
well
> > > as
> > > > > > the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did not attend
Cyscoexpert,
> > >
> > > > > > I did research them and felt that they were really overcharging.
And
> > > > > > that they gave some students different prices than others, I
don't
> > > think
> > > > > > that is fair to do to customers. Also the big problem is with
the boot
> > >
> > > > > > camps, is that they don't tell you what there passing rate is.
This to
> > >
> > > > > > me is very important factor, I want to know how many people pass
after
> > >
> > > > > > attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you have to fail so
many
> > > > > > times in order to pass like I did. I really can sympathize, the
problem
> > >
> > > > > > with many of the boot camps out there and the workbook vendors
is that
> > >
> > > > > > they made there boot camp courses or workbooks years ago, and
they got
> > >
> > > > > > their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers), so they try
and
> > > update
> > > > > > their workbooks but the problem is that the original topologies,
tasks
> > >
> > > > > > etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert as well,
again my
> > > > > > feelings are that those labs were originated years ago, and they
did
> > > not
> > > > > > completely rewrite the entire book, even though they have now
proctor
> > > > > > guide and have several new labs. I am very proud to start my
course,
> > > > > > because I have very current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam
so many
> > >
> > > > > > times, that I have very good idea of what exam is about. I don't
waste
> > >
> > > > > > your time studying material that won't be tested on, and more
> > > > > > importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like some of the
other
> > > > > > boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as well!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> > > > > > CEO
> > > > > > IgorTek Inc.
> > > > > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > > > > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> > > > > > Hablo Espanol
> > > > > > 305-321-6232
> > > > > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of
> > >
> > > > > > Joseph D. Phillips
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> > > > > > To: Eric Hoffman
> > > > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's flunked 4x. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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