From: Joe Deleonardo (JoeDeleonardo@cox.net)
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 20:18:22 GMT-3
Seriously, I hope that's a joke too. I'd be willing to be that anyone that
just passes the lab is functioning on a much higher level then everyone
else.
If guys that teach it are so sharp it's because they have to deal with it
daily. Not because their number is older. The idea that an older number
means more skill is ludicrous.
But John, really, the way you do it is uncool. Let everyone go and get
samples from the vendors and make their own choice. Besides everyone learns
differently. What works for one, won't necessarily work for others. When
getting the CCIE Security to trying to get the R&S now. I've tried three
vendors.
While I won't point fingers, I will say that the quality is resoundingly
different from one vendor to another.
Also with that said, each vendor should have the opportunity to recover from
past poor products.
I hope you're successful John, but I really believe you're hurting your self
more then others. With only, what 3500 CCIE in the US, it's a pretty small
place to be pitching stones.
At least if you're going to bash people do it out of the public view. That
is unless they're SBC. ;-)
Cheers,
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <micsoniu@telus.net>
To: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
Cc: <tycampbell@comcast.net>; "john matijevic" <matijevi@bellsouth.net>;
"'Joseph D. Phillips'" <josephdphillips@fastmail.us>; "'Eric Hoffman'"
<skeetin@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> So Wayne,
>
> The more attempts the less valuable is the CCIE certification ?
>
> I hope it's a joke ....
>
> Quoting Wayne Lawson <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>:
>
>> Ty,
>>
>> Thanks! - Have that SUCCESSFUL customer - now an IE - email
>> success@ipexpert.com
>> with his name, address and IE number - we'll get his free polo shirt out
>> today!
>>
>> Thanks - Wayne
>>
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: tycampbell@comcast.net
>> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:31:21 -0400
>> To: Wayne Lawson groupstudy@ipexpert.net
>> Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
>>
>> > IPExpert rocks!!!...
>> > Everything in the workbook was on the lab...actually the workbook was
>> harder than the real lab. Oh...and I know at least one person that has
>> passed
>> the lab that hasn't told Wayne yet :-)
>> > All he used was IPExpert....and he had less than 5 attempts...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >
>> > > Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number (after 5 attempts)
>> > > and
>> then
>> > > jumping
>> > > right into the market like you're the king of the hill - all of this
>> while
>> > > passively cutting
>> > > down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's with lower
>> numbers...
>> > >
>> > > Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products - I'd like you to
>> > > try
>> to
>> > > explain to me
>> > > how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you seem to claim
>> > > below.
>> In
>> > > case you
>> > > weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame Relay, RIP and
>> > > OSPF
>> several
>> > > years
>> > > ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did you begin your IE
>> > > prep
>> - and
>> > > take your 1st
>> > > attempt?). Some technologies and protocols remain the same while some
>> change.
>> > > There isn't
>> > > and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as you claim.
>> > > People
>> are
>> > > using it today,
>> > > and they're still successful - as you saw below - from this original
>> post.
>> > >
>> > > Also, when and if you ever get more than a few students who attend
>> > > your
>> course
>> > > - you'll
>> > > realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track students. We have
>> several
>> > > hundred
>> > > students who have attended our classes over the past year - and less
>> > > than
>> 15% of
>> > > them
>> > > report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to use a "success
>> > > rate"
>>
>> > > formula just won't
>> > > provide the needed feedback.
>> > >
>> > > Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a guy just starting
>> > > out as
>> a
>> > > CCIE instructor,
>> > > (again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really doesn't rate enough
>> > > to
>> begin
>> > > bashing
>> > > established vendors with IE's on staff who are triple or quad
>> > > certified.
>> If you
>> > > want to run
>> > > and establish a successful business - do it with character and
>> > > ethics.
>> Don't
>> > > cut down your
>> > > competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists like some of these
>> vendors do
>> > > - earn your
>> > > respect and keep your mouth shut - your work, products or services
>> > > will
>> speak
>> > > for themselves.
>> > > Spend the time, money and effort to establish a sales and marketing
>> > > plan
>> - quit
>> > > using a public
>> > > mailing list as your means of reaching customers. it's cheap and
>> > > overdone
>> on
>> > > this newslist!
>> > >
>> > > Wayne Lawson
>> > > President - IPexpert, Inc.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original message-----
>> > > From: "john matijevic" matijevi@bellsouth.net
>> > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
>> > > To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'" josephdphillips@fastmail.us
>> > > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
>> > >
>> > > > Hello Eric,
>> > > > Congratulations for passing the exam even though it took you 6
>> > > > times. I
>>
>> > > > had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a similar experience to
>> > > > you
>>
>> > > > I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended more than 1 boot
>> camp.
>> > > > I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock lab workshop as
>> > > > well
>> as
>> > > > the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did not attend
>> > > > Cyscoexpert,
>>
>> > > > I did research them and felt that they were really overcharging.
>> > > > And
>> > > > that they gave some students different prices than others, I don't
>> think
>> > > > that is fair to do to customers. Also the big problem is with the
>> > > > boot
>>
>> > > > camps, is that they don't tell you what there passing rate is. This
>> > > > to
>>
>> > > > me is very important factor, I want to know how many people pass
>> > > > after
>>
>> > > > attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you have to fail so
>> > > > many
>> > > > times in order to pass like I did. I really can sympathize, the
>> > > > problem
>>
>> > > > with many of the boot camps out there and the workbook vendors is
>> > > > that
>>
>> > > > they made there boot camp courses or workbooks years ago, and they
>> > > > got
>>
>> > > > their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers), so they try and
>> update
>> > > > their workbooks but the problem is that the original topologies,
>> > > > tasks
>>
>> > > > etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert as well, again
>> > > > my
>> > > > feelings are that those labs were originated years ago, and they
>> > > > did
>> not
>> > > > completely rewrite the entire book, even though they have now
>> > > > proctor
>> > > > guide and have several new labs. I am very proud to start my
>> > > > course,
>> > > > because I have very current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam so
>> > > > many
>>
>> > > > times, that I have very good idea of what exam is about. I don't
>> > > > waste
>>
>> > > > your time studying material that won't be tested on, and more
>> > > > importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like some of the
>> > > > other
>> > > > boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as well!!!
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely,
>> > > >
>> > > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
>> > > > CEO
>> > > > IgorTek Inc.
>> > > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
>> > > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
>> > > > Hablo Espanol
>> > > > 305-321-6232
>> > > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > > > Behalf Of
>>
>> > > > Joseph D. Phillips
>> > > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
>> > > > To: Eric Hoffman
>> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
>> > > >
>> > > > Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's flunked 4x. :)
>> > > >
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