From: alsontra@hotmail.com
Date: Thu Sep 09 2004 - 20:15:38 GMT-3
Eric congratulations! I completely agree with your statement regarding how
and when you truly fail. Your the man....
Also, I hate to do this to your congratulatory thread, but it seems that
every time John opens his mouth he gets blasted! I don't agree or disagree
with what he's saying now or has said in the past, but isn't he entitled to
his opinion? Right or Wrong? These threads are starting to look like the
"big guy" picking on the "little guy" and things seem to be getting a little
too personal.
Can we all just get along? ;-) LOL
$.02 (unwanted or otherwise)
Alsontra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
To: <micsoniu@telus.net>
Cc: <tycampbell@comcast.net>; "john matijevic" <matijevi@bellsouth.net>;
"'Joseph D. Phillips'" <josephdphillips@fastmail.us>; "'Eric Hoffman'"
<skeetin@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> I never said that - don't put words in my mouth.
>
> I don't think the value of his CCIE certification has decreased,
> but his credibility to teach - and be an expert in the CCIE training
> space has. All of this while bashing successful vendors and
> instructors with multiple IE's - and much experience and
> knowledge That' s my personal opinion - and I'm sure that
> there are many people on this board who agree with me.
>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: micsoniu@telus.net
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:11:05 -0400
> To: Wayne Lawson groupstudy@ipexpert.net
> Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
>
> > So Wayne,
> >
> > The more attempts the less valuable is the CCIE certification ?
> >
> > I hope it's a joke ....
> >
> > Quoting Wayne Lawson <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>:
> >
> > > Ty,
> > >
> > > Thanks! - Have that SUCCESSFUL customer - now an IE - email
> > > success@ipexpert.com
> > > with his name, address and IE number - we'll get his free polo shirt
out
> > > today!
> > >
> > > Thanks - Wayne
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: tycampbell@comcast.net
> > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:31:21 -0400
> > > To: Wayne Lawson groupstudy@ipexpert.net
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> > >
> > > > IPExpert rocks!!!...
> > > > Everything in the workbook was on the lab...actually the workbook
was
> > > harder than the real lab. Oh...and I know at least one person that has
passed
> > > the lab that hasn't told Wayne yet :-)
> > > > All he used was IPExpert....and he had less than 5 attempts...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >
> > > > > Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number (after 5 attempts)
and
> > > then
> > > > > jumping
> > > > > right into the market like you're the king of the hill - all of
this
> > > while
> > > > > passively cutting
> > > > > down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's with lower
> > > numbers...
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products - I'd like you
to try
> > > to
> > > > > explain to me
> > > > > how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you seem to claim
below.
> > > In
> > > > > case you
> > > > > weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame Relay, RIP
and OSPF
> > > several
> > > > > years
> > > > > ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did you begin your
IE prep> > - and
> > > > > take your 1st
> > > > > attempt?). Some technologies and protocols remain the same while
some
> > > change.
> > > > > There isn't
> > > > > and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as you claim.
People
> > > are
> > > > > using it today,
> > > > > and they're still successful - as you saw below - from this
original
> > > post.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, when and if you ever get more than a few students who attend
your
> > > course
> > > > > - you'll
> > > > > realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track students. We
have
> > > several
> > > > > hundred
> > > > > students who have attended our classes over the past year - and
less than
> > > 15% of
> > > > > them
> > > > > report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to use a
"success rate"
> > >
> > > > > formula just won't
> > > > > provide the needed feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a guy just starting
out as
> > > a
> > > > > CCIE instructor,
> > > > > (again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really doesn't rate
enough to
> > > begin> > > > bashing
> > > > > established vendors with IE's on staff who are triple or quad
certified.
> > > If you
> > > > > want to run
> > > > > and establish a successful business - do it with character and
ethics.
> > > Don't
> > > > > cut down your
> > > > > competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists like some of
these
> > > vendors do
> > > > > - earn your
> > > > > respect and keep your mouth shut - your work, products or services
will
> > > speak
> > > > > for themselves.
> > > > > Spend the time, money and effort to establish a sales and
marketing plan
> > > - quit
> > > > > using a public
> > > > > mailing list as your means of reaching customers. it's cheap and
overdone
> > > on
> > > > > this newslist!
> > > > >
> > > > > Wayne Lawson
> > > > > President - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > From: "john matijevic" matijevi@bellsouth.net
> > > > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
> > > > > To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'" josephdphillips@fastmail.us
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Eric,
> > > > > > Congratulations for passing the exam even though it took you 6
times. I
> > >
> > > > > > had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a similar experience
to you
> > >
> > > > > > I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended more than 1
boot
> > > camp.
> > > > > > I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock lab workshop as
well
> > > as
> > > > > > the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did not attend
Cyscoexpert,
> > >
> > > > > > I did research them and felt that they were really overcharging.
And
> > > > > > that they gave some students different prices than others, I
don't
> > > think
> > > > > > that is fair to do to customers. Also the big problem is with
the boot
> > >
> > > > > > camps, is that they don't tell you what there passing rate is.
This to
> > >
> > > > > > me is very important factor, I want to know how many people pass
after
> > >
> > > > > > attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you have to fail so
many
> > > > > > times in order to pass like I did. I really can sympathize, the
problem
> > >
> > > > > > with many of the boot camps out there and the workbook vendors
is that
> > >
> > > > > > they made there boot camp courses or workbooks years ago, and
they got
> > >
> > > > > > their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers), so they try
and
> > > update
> > > > > > their workbooks but the problem is that the original topologies,
tasks
> > >
> > > > > > etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert as well,
again my
> > > > > > feelings are that those labs were originated years ago, and they
did
> > > not
> > > > > > completely rewrite the entire book, even though they have now
proctor
> > > > > > guide and have several new labs. I am very proud to start my
course,
> > > > > > because I have very current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam
so many
> > >
> > > > > > times, that I have very good idea of what exam is about. I don't
waste
> > >
> > > > > > your time studying material that won't be tested on, and more
> > > > > > importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like some of the
other
> > > > > > boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as well!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> > > > > > CEO
> > > > > > IgorTek Inc.
> > > > > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > > > > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> > > > > > Hablo Espanol
> > > > > > 305-321-6232
> > > > > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of
> > >
> > > > > > Joseph D. Phillips
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> > > > > > To: Eric Hoffman
> > > > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's flunked 4x. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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