From: Wayne Lawson (groupstudy@ipexpert.net)
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 16:22:31 GMT-3
Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number (after 5 attempts) and then jumping
right into the market like you're the king of the hill - all of this while passively cutting
down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's with lower numbers...
Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products - I'd like you to try to explain to me
how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you seem to claim below. In case you
weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame Relay, RIP and OSPF several years
ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did you begin your IE prep - and take your 1st
attempt?). Some technologies and protocols remain the same while some change. There isn't
and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as you claim. People are using it today,
and they're still successful - as you saw below - from this original post.
Also, when and if you ever get more than a few students who attend your course - you'll
realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track students. We have several hundred
students who have attended our classes over the past year - and less than 15% of them
report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to use a "success rate" formula just won't
provide the needed feedback.
Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a guy just starting out as a CCIE instructor,
(again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really doesn't rate enough to begin bashing
established vendors with IE's on staff who are triple or quad certified. If you want to run
and establish a successful business - do it with character and ethics. Don't cut down your
competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists like some of these vendors do - earn your
respect and keep your mouth shut - your work, products or services will speak for themselves.
Spend the time, money and effort to establish a sales and marketing plan - quit using a public
mailing list as your means of reaching customers. it's cheap and overdone on this newslist!
Wayne Lawson
President - IPexpert, Inc.
-----Original message-----
From: "john matijevic" matijevi@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'" josephdphillips@fastmail.us
Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> Hello Eric,
> Congratulations for passing the exam even though it took you 6 times. I
> had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a similar experience to you
> I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended more than 1 boot camp.
> I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock lab workshop as well as
> the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did not attend Cyscoexpert,
> I did research them and felt that they were really overcharging. And
> that they gave some students different prices than others, I don't think
> that is fair to do to customers. Also the big problem is with the boot
> camps, is that they don't tell you what there passing rate is. This to
> me is very important factor, I want to know how many people pass after
> attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you have to fail so many
> times in order to pass like I did. I really can sympathize, the problem
> with many of the boot camps out there and the workbook vendors is that
> they made there boot camp courses or workbooks years ago, and they got
> their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers), so they try and update
> their workbooks but the problem is that the original topologies, tasks
> etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert as well, again my
> feelings are that those labs were originated years ago, and they did not
> completely rewrite the entire book, even though they have now proctor
> guide and have several new labs. I am very proud to start my course,
> because I have very current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam so many
> times, that I have very good idea of what exam is about. I don't waste
> your time studying material that won't be tested on, and more
> importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like some of the other
> boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as well!!!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> CEO
> IgorTek Inc.
> 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> Hablo Espanol
> 305-321-6232
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph D. Phillips
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> To: Eric Hoffman
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
>
> Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's flunked 4x. :)
>
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