From: Annu Roopa (annu_roopa@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Aug 30 2004 - 18:53:40 GMT-3
Cisco nuts,
I totally agree with ur statment as i am too..."BTW.....they have broken me down - mentally and physically" but i think better be that way NOW RATHER THAN after 3 attempts.
That way u are having a torn pocket also to worry about.
At least i dont want a torn pocket. Thank god they have a book to save me !!!
Annu.
Cisco Nuts <cisconuts@hotmail.com> wrote:
Very well said...Sir!!
Your labs definitely teach you to do just that and your R&S class too...
I hate your labs... BTW.....they have broken me down - mentally and
physically :-)
As Brian Dennis appropriately said:
1. Fall back to the BASICS !!!!
2. What is the default ??
These 2 principles is something I will live with for a very long time -
CCIE or NOT !!
Sincerely...
>From: "Brian McGahan" >Reply-To:
"Brian McGahan" >To: "Thomas Larus"
, >Subject: RE: RE : Cisco Press
Routing and Switchling Lab book >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:00:57 -0400 >
> I disagree. Putting configuration statements there just for the >sake
of it shows a lack of understanding of the technology. With this >logic
why not just put all commands in and see what happens? > > This is the
same case of trying to apply general rules to >configuration, like always
use loopback peerings in BGP or always use >the no peer neighbor-route
command. While there certainly are >appropriate cases for these
configurations, the key to passing the lab >is to understand the WHY of
using them. > > > >Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
>bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com > >Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/ > > > > -----Original
Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf >Of > > Thomas Larus > > Sent:
Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:56 PM > > To: john matijevic; 'Richard
Dumoulin'; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: RE : Cisco Press
Routing and Switchling Lab book > > > > John and Richard: > > > > Having
the broadcast keyword at the end of all of your frame relay map > >
statements is "bad form," but it is not necessarily a bad thing, > >
altogether. > > > > Richard was one of the technical reviewers for my new
book, along with >Joe > > Rothstein, and you can imagine how helpful it
was for these two >network > > engineers to work through the scenarios
with their keen eye for >detail. > > Both Richard and Joe noticed that I
had used "broadcast" where it was >not > > needed, and since they both
mentioned this, I improved my config files >by > > removing "broadcast"
where it was not needed. Thus, I confess to >being > > one > > of those
practice scenario writers who, left to his own devices, would >put > >
"broadcast" on frame relay map statements where it is not needed, and > >
would > > also engage in many other acts of "overconfiguration." I firmly
stand >by > > most of my overconfiguration, but I recongnize that this
particular >bit of > > "overconfiguration" or "bad form" can make one
look bad. > > > > Still, there is something to to be said for this kind
of > > overconfiguration. > > If you do it this way, you do not have to
worry about making a mistake >and > > leaving off the broadcast keyword
where it is needed. What if you are > > configuring your frame relay
cloud in the Lab exam, and you try to be > > careful about putting
"broadcast" only where it is needed, but you are >not > > quite careful
enough, for you leave it off the DLCI that really needed >it? > > It is
very easy to make this sort of mistake, and it is a mistake that > >
could > > really cause practical problems. > > > > It does not take much
imagination to see how a mistake like this could > > cause > > you to
lose many points and much time. > > > > All in all, it may actually be
safer to overconfigure, and have >something > > in > > your configs that
reeks of "bad form." > > > > I am not a proctor, so I cannot be certain
that there might not be a > > downside to this sort of "bad form" or
"overconfiguration." Perhaps >some > > picky proctor would look at this
sort of overconfiguration and say, >"this > > candidate's use of the
'broadcast' keyword where it is not needed >suggests > > to me that the
candidate may not fully understand what is going on >here." > > However,
what I have read of Cisco's official word on the Lab exam > > suggests >
> that the Lab is graded largely on practical results. Sometimes I
>think > > that > > real world "good form" and "best practices" are
largely incompatible >with > > the world of CCIE lab preparation. > > > >
Best regards, > > > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 > > Author of the CCIE
Warm-Up e-books from www.ipexpert.com, and also >"Basic > > Cisco
Secuirty Exercises for Pix Firewall, IOS Firewall, and Access > > Control
> > Server," at http://www.lulu.com/content/59374 > > > > > > -----
Original Message ----- > > From: "john matijevic"
> > To: "'Richard Dumoulin'"
; > > > > Sent:
Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:26 PM > > Subject: RE: RE : Cisco Press Routing
and Switchling Lab book > > > > > > > Hello Richard, > > > I have
configured with and without the broadcast keyword as you have > > >
mentioned. I really have not noticed a difference. One could argue >that
> > > it uses unnecessary bandwidth in the real world. However, there
are > > > many lab vendor books that due use the broadcast keyword. The
point > > > being is that this book has so many valuable tools and
lessons >learned. > > > I think by going through the labs and going
through the entire book, >you > > > will find that it is of the highest
quality. There are other minor > > > errors with the book, I was just
making overall assessment when I >posted > > > this email. Again, I
really love this book. I think it is the best > > > resource available,
and if you need rack time I am offering my rack >and > > > forum area for
support. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254,
MCSE, CNE, CCEA > > > CEO > > > IgorTek Inc. > > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149 > > > Hablo Espanol > > > 305-321-6232 > > >
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE > > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message----- > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf >Of > > > Richard Dumoulin > > >
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:52 AM > > > To: john matijevic;
ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > Subject: RE : Cisco Press Routing and
Switchling Lab book > > > > > > One thing I have noticed is that the
author configure "broadcast" in >the > > > frame-relay map's between
spokes in a frame-relay hub and spoke > > > scenario. > > > I am not sure
this is good practice and we all know that broadcasts >are > > > not > >
> forwarded by the hub and it therefore does not make sense, > > > > > >
--Richard > > > > > > > > >
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