From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Wed Jul 14 2004 - 19:43:15 GMT-3
I believe that Brian McGahan answered that fairly well. Many of the labs
and items on this list tend to highlight a lot of "oddball" things or
working through a particular requirement set. This doesn't necessarily help
with actually learning the technology itself.
While the Brians teach a class, and I teach a class, and Bruce/Val/et al.
teach a class, there are many different things that are highlighted. But
like lab books, they aren't designed to teach everything from the ground up.
It's not possible to do that in 1 week. :)
But many different approaches to learning are taken by different people. I
believe Howard highlighted some of the concepts of cognitive learning
psychology whether tactile, visual or aural in nature. Everyone is
different for that part.
I think what Brian Dennis was getting at and others in the "ways not to do
this" are really noting is that this is not a quick and easy journey. You
can go through lab books and courses, and you get different people's views
and perspectives and perhaps learn different things in a different way.
However, that does not truly teach a technology. And if you learn it a
"wrong way" then often when something happens in a different manner there is
a loss on what to do. Whereas having more experience (although like Brian
M., I hesitate to use that word) with a technology and spending time in the
exciting world of 'debug' will not only help you with the CCIE lab, but will
help you in real life.
In the long-run, it's a way to prevent Jason Graun from complaining about
you. ;) (j/k Jason)
HTH,
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, CISSP,
JNCIP, et al.
IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
http://www.ipexpert.net
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Dumoulin
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:15 PM
To: Scott Morris; 'Slava Lushchinskiy'; 'Brian Dennis';
security@groupstudy.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: all September seats are gone
So what's the correct way to study then ? Everyone keeps saying how not to
study...
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
Sent: miircoles, 14 de julio de 2004 23:10
To: 'Slava Lushchinskiy'; 'Brian Dennis'; security@groupstudy.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: all September seats are gone
I believe the point is that simply doing practice labs or doing things over
and over and over again doesn't teach you HOW something works. So putting
it together one way is great right up till the point that someone asks for
something a little different, then you get the puppy-dog look...
At least that's my impression of what he meant! The proper way is to know
the technologies and how they work, that way no matter what the specifics,
whether you've done it that way before or not, you can deduce the solution
properly.
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, CISSP,
JNCIP, et al. IPExpert CCIE Program Manager IPExpert Sr. Technical
Instructor swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
http://www.ipexpert.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Slava Lushchinskiy [mailto:Vlu@lincomp.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:26 PM
To: 'Brian Dennis'; swm@emanon.com; security@groupstudy.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: all September seats are gone
....."As you know this is not the proper way to pass the lab"
Could you share a secret what is a proper way of passing a lab? You may have
10 yeas of experience and don't pass even written exam without reading some
Cisco books.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of Brian
Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:14 PM
To: swm@emanon.com; security@groupstudy.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: all September seats are gone
Many of them
tried to pass the lab by just doing CCIE level practice labs over and over.
As you know this is not the proper way to pass the lab. So it's not that
they aren't as smart as the person that passed on the first try, it's just
that they didn't learning the correct way.
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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