From: Joe Deleonardo (JoeDeleonardo@cox.net)
Date: Wed Jul 14 2004 - 07:06:10 GMT-3
Oh I hope I didn't offend you when I said that. I understood what you meant.
I was just trying to say everyone's different and an individual - what I
require to do to pass may be twice what you require to pass.
I went through the Hello Computers lab book all of them. I went to the
HelloComputers bootcamp, then failed the lab last month.
I bought Internetwork Experts book, I went through all 20 labs, understood
everything. I do think it's a great book.
Today (er - yesterday - haven't gone to sleep yet) I took the lab and all I
can say was that this was most difficult test I've ever taken in my life.
The only word to describe it is, vicious. I've just never seen so many
obscure topics, with so many restrictions as to how you can and can't do
things, with very specific out come requirements. I got through the lab, but
didn't have enough time to go back over the whole thing to look for errors
or to go back to what I had skipped.
It's not like I didn't prepare. My notes only had one thing in them that I
had forgotten a detail about. One little detail out of the whole lab is not
bad. What was so different was the level of complexity and depth. This lab
made my last R&S lab look like an absolute piece of cake. I wasn't alone -
other candidates on the way out were all in shock. It was a brand new lab -
you could tell because all the plastic was shiny and the paper was printer
fresh. Maybe they'll make adjustments to it when they see just how hard
people see this lab to be. I know Cisco wants to make this difficult. Heck,
I want Cisco to make this difficult. But if they make it impossible then who
will want to even risk their money.
I really feel that if Cisco wanted to make another level up beyond the CCIE
this test today would have been a good candidate. You know what they could
do is have CCIE's that recertify on paper only and CCIE's that recertify in
the lab.... maybe at a reduced cost to the CCIE. We all know this technology
changes... what? Every 6-12 months there's a new major IOS revision. I doubt
all CCIEs really keep up with it.
All I wish is that the lab would be more real world. I think that would make
the CCIE much more valuable. Some of the requirements I read today made me
think right away, "why would you ever want to do that!" There's just so
many ways to do things and just because I know every trivial pursuit type
command/method doesn't necessarily make me a better engineer.
I feel at a loss at this point. My only idea at this point is to do what
some body else posted on this board - read through all of the Cisco
Documentation and try to learn the important details that I'm missing.
OK well, blah, blah, blah, just blowing off steam and frustration.
Good luck to you!
Joe
CCIE Security 12391
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Fernando Rodriguez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:38 AM
To: Joe_Deleonardo@hotmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Internetwork Experts CCIE Routing & Switching Lab Workbook
Hi Joe and everyone,
I can tell you this is not a shortcut. I have been
studying a lot during a long while, attended bootcamp,
reviewed everything and went for the lab...and failed.
What I4m looking for is a book that provides me with
similar challenges to the lab and give me a clear
explanation on why things are done in a certain way
and not other. I have some time to study at work and
have also a work-lab to "play" with...but no VoIP nor
ATM but I can always mess around with customers
routers and, should something go wrong, blame on Cisco
IOS new features being developed hehehe
So no, I am not looking a shortcut...I am just trying
to easy the pain of this long path.
...and yes, you are right...I can not afford "a
proctor" but if all of us put a small amount
of..."peanuts" we could get our "Groupstudy
proctor"...just a naughty thought hehehe
Regards,
Fernando
--- Joe Deleonardo <JoeDeleonardo@cox.net> escribis: >
That really all depends on you. Everyone learns at
> different speeds. You
> also have to take into account your real life
> experience, etc.
>
> Internetwork Experts book is great, but it's not a
> short cut. No book out
> there is a short cut. Don't kid yourself, there is
> absolutely no way to
> short cut the CCIE... well short of paying a proctor
> more money then any of
> us probably have to just pass you. But if you had
> that much money why bother
> with the CCIE? ;)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Fernando Rodriguez
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:30 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Internetwork Experts CCIE Routing &
> Switching Lab Workbook
>
> Hi all again,
> I4m about to purchase the aforementioned book. I was
> thinking about how long I would need in normal
> circunstances to have a good look at it and practice
> enough in order to finish it and book my lab.
> Thanks as always,
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
>
>
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