From: Allan Wells (wellse@bigpond.net.au)
Date: Fri May 21 2004 - 18:55:54 GMT-3
Yes for mind the interworkexpert work book is very good
I have had a look at ipexpert and didnt like it at all and purchased the
internetworkexpert.
I will also by the hardcopy because staring at the monitor is annoying.
Great workbook!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
To: "Patrick Torney" <ptorney@satx.rr.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: which workbook?
> Hi Patrick,
>
> No, it's official. As of August 1st 2004 new 12.2T features
> will be tested in the lab. The Internetwork Expert workbook was
> designed on 12.2T, so these features are already integrated into
> IEWB-RS. Also, you can download the first chapter of the IE workbook
> below:
>
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/downloads/iewb-rs.sample.lab.pdf
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Patrick Torney
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:31 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: which workbook?
> >
> > Thanks everybody for all the excellent feedback on this workbook
> thread.
> >
> > A followup, which itself will probably create a fork here, but, this
> is
> > the
> > first I've heard of the lab changing... is that official or just
> really
> > good
> > rumor mongering? Please ellaborate... Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Last" <packtmon@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Jan K" <jan_k@verizon.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: which workbook?
> >
> >
> > > Personally, I can't say anything about ccbootcamp's workbook.
> Haven't
> > seen it. But, if you're interested, I would just go to their web site
> and
> > see if they have a sample lab and Solution Guide for the sample lab.
> If
> > they do, then do the same with IE and compare.
> > >
> > > Then try to find out about their support. Believe me, nothing is
> worse,
> > nothing is more frustrating and nothing wastes more time than having a
> > problem figuring out why something doesn't work and not being able to
> get
> > any help. That was the biggest problem with IPExpert. Their
> "support"
> > WASN'T. It was practically non-existent.
> > >
> > > And, because there were so many mistakes in their labs, having good
> > support was all the more important and necessary.
> > >
> > > IPexpert claims that they can't support their products because they
> have
> > so many products and there just aren't enough qualified people
> available
> > to
> > provide support. But, as far as I'm concerned, there product isn't
> > complete
> > if they support it. And, they charge so much for it as well. It's
> > terrible.
> > >
> > > Then, if you're satisfied the product is good and the support will
> be
> > good, then compare prices and decides which workbook will give you the
> > most
> > bang for your buck.
> > >
> > > Then get to work. The lab is gonna change again on August 1st.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Jan K <jan_k@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > I'm seeing all this talk about NMC, IPExpert and IE, but how about
> > Network
> > > Learning (ccbootcamp.com)? They were probably one of the first ones
> out
> > > there with a workbook a few years ago. Is the latest version (12.2)
> > still
> > > any good? How does it compare to the other three?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Tim Last"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Danny,
> > > >
> > > > I tend to agree with you as far as usually getting what you pay
> for.
> > > However, in this case, I think that common adage isn't true.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have first hand experience with the NMC workbook but about
> a
> > month
> > > ago, when I was considering which workbook to get, I spoke to a
> buddy of
> > > mine (who is now a ccie after about 5 attempts) and asked him about
> the
> > NMC
> > > workbook which he had purchased.
> > > >
> > > > (BTW, I had bought the IPExpert workbook and wasn't happy with
> that
> > for
> > > several reasons. They were full of mistakes, they didn't include a
> > Solution
> > > Guide, and their support was almost non-existent)
> > > >
> > > > He told me he was disappointed with the NMC workbook for 2 primary
> > > reasons:
> > > >
> > > > a) They had far too many mistakes and compared to the real lab
> > > >
> > > > b) They seemed to have an unrealistic focus on weird and
> convoluted
> > > redistribution problems.
> > > >
> > > > So, I got the IE workbook and it's fantastic. Based on my own
> > experience
> > > taking the real lab, IE's practice labs are very comparable in the
> level
> > of
> > > difficulty of the real lab and the type of problems one can expect
> to
> > see,
> > > Their Solution Guide is a work of ART, and there are very few errors
> of
> > any
> > > sort. So far, I've only come across a few minor typo's but nothing
> that
> > > like the errors that were in the IPExpert workbook which had
> busloads of
> > > logic errors.
> > > >
> > > > In addition, IE's support site actually provides support. If you
> take
> > a
> > > look at it, you'll see how often Brian McGahan (and sometimes Brian
> > Dennis)
> > > has responded to questions with answers that actually answer
> people's
> > > questions.
> > > >
> > > > Then, if you consider how much you'll learn compared to how much
> you
> > have
> > > to invest, $200, I think it's the best deal available today by far.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I can't say anything about NMC from personal experience,
> but
> > having
> > > suffered through the lack of support from IPExpert and the huge
> volumes
> > of
> > > errors in their workbook, I can tell you, those 2 problems combined
> make
> > for
> > > a horrorable experience. Remember that when someone is trying to
> figure
> > > stuff out and trying to master this technology, when there's a logic
> > > problem, it's hard as hell to know, at first, if the problem is a
> result
> > of
> > > not understanding the technology or how the commands actually work
> or
> > > because there are inconsistancies between the task you're trying to
> do
> > and
> > > the solution.
> > > >
> > > > Then, if you add the fact that IPExpert doesn't provide decent
> > support,
> > > the result is that you end up wasting huge amounts of time and not
> > learning
> > > the material and understanding what the networking problems are and
> what
> > you
> > > need to do to solve them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > >
> > >
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