From: Bill Lijewski (bill@eccie.com)
Date: Tue Apr 20 2004 - 16:47:01 GMT-3
I would agree with Brian. Most of the people that I talk to are
frustrated with the grading on the exam. They don't know why they
didn't receive full credit for a section and they get no feedback from
Cisco. If you don't know what you did wrong it is very easy to repeat
the same mistakes the next time. We have been running a Mock Lab, that
people are allowed to take remotely, which simulates the real lab. When
they are completed with the lab it is graded by hand and a detailed
report is written for each person explaining why they lost points or
what they could have done differently. They receive a step-by-step
walkthrough of the lab and they also have the opportunity to talk to the
person that graded the exam, to clarify any questions that may remain in
their minds. We have been doing this since August of last year and the
feedback from the students has been great. They will find something
that they didn't know or have been consistently doing wrong and the best
part, according to them, is that they get feedback. No matter who,
what, or how, I think that the feedback you can receive from a Bootcamp
/ Mock Lab is invaluable.
- Bill Lijewski
CCIE#8642
Network Learning Inc
5 Day R&S CCIE Bootcamp Instructor
bill@eccie.com
www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training)
1-702-968-5100
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brian McGahan
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:30 AM
To: Edward Kelly; Volodymyr Levytskyy; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: boot camp again :) [bcc][faked-from]
Importance: Low
Ed,
> ...Then again, you can always ante up the $1250 to Cisco and take the
> exam,
> you'll find out in no uncertain terms *exactly* what you need to
> concentrate
> on...
This is not necessarily true. It is more common that I see
students who don't understand why they failed as opposed to students
that do understand why they failed. As I'm sure many of you can attest
to, the score report that Cisco provides after an unsuccessful attempt
is rarely indicative of how you thought you performed. This was the main
motivation for the new mock lab class format that Brian Dennis and I
developed.
By subjecting students to the conditions of the lab (8 hours for
lab plus 30 minutes for lunch), grading the lab on a point scale of 100,
and discussing the lab, you can get an independent outside opinion of
what you're doing correct/incorrect.
> You have to put in some serious (like, SERIOUS) hands-on study time to
> pass
Undoubtedly. The key to passing this certification is to
understand the fundamental principles of how the protocols operate and
interoperate with each other. There are no shortcuts in this process.
Learning tools such as classes and workbooks can assist you in this
process, but you will still only get out of them what you put into them.
Good luck on your next attempt.
HTH,
Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Edward Kelly
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:48 AM
> To: 'Volodymyr Levytskyy'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: boot camp again :)
>
> Hello...
> ...That's called class auditing and it's pretty common with most
> technology
> related classes, doesn't matter if it's Cisco, Microsoft, Joe Router,
> whichever...They know you really don't want to have to sit through a
class
> again...Take the class for what it's worth, whoever you go with, and
focus
> on the weaknesses that it exposes...
>
> ...Then again, you can always ante up the $1250 to Cisco and take the
> exam,
> you'll find out in no uncertain terms *exactly* what you need to
> concentrate
> on...You have to put in some serious (like, SERIOUS) hands-on study
time
> to
> pass, boot camp or no...My 2nd attempt is next month and I am looking
> forward to it...
>
> ...I see allot of posts from allot of really sharp people on this
mailing
> list, and many of them have helped me understand things, or *notice*
> things
> that I hadn't caught before...I suggest you use every resource
available
> to
> you as much and as often as you can...
>
> That's my .02...
> Ed
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Volodymyr Levytskyy
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:30 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: boot camp again :)
>
> What do you guys think about:
>
> "If you do not pass the CCIE Lab after completing this course you will
> be able to attend the same course again absolutely FREE!"
>
> I don't think I will need to take another boot camp. I mean after I
> fail. I will need just more time to figure out where I make mistake.
>
> Any opinion about that :-)
>
>
>
> Thanks...
>
> Vlad
>
>
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