From: Allan Wells (wellse@bigpond.net.au)
Date: Sun Apr 18 2004 - 11:46:26 GMT-3
Be sure to call Cyscoexpert !!
I had a One hour plus conversation with one of their engineers who was
extremely helpfull.
Answered every question I had and was more than happy to listen and advise.
It was nice to receive friendly proffesional service.
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Email: info@cyscoexpert.com
Allan
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Lijewski" <wlijewski@cox.net>
To: "'Volodymyr Levytskyy'" <vovan@shaw.ca>; <swm@emanon.com>;
"'Administrator'" <Administrator@standardaerotech.ca>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: boot camp [bcc][faked-from]
> What is right for you may not be right for someone else. I would suggest
> this - Call the schools that you have mentioned and ask to talk to the
> instructor(s). Make a list of questions and concerns that you have before
> calling, throw a couple of technical questions in too, and ask all of the
> instructors the same questions. Their feedback should help you decide,
and
> not only is the feedback you get from them important, the most important
> thing (in my opinion) is how you feel after talking to them.
>
> The 'feeling' is a little difficult to quantify, but here goes:
>
> Were they friendly and forthcoming with their answers? Did they seem to
be
> rushed and just wanted to get you off the phone and into the class? Or
were
> they willing to take what time was needed to answer your questions?
>
> Did they give you satisfactory answers and explanations? Or were they
quick
> 'yes' and 'no' responses?
>
> Did they ask questions about you? Did they find out your background, how
> much experience you have, what certifications you have, how long and how
> much you have been studying?
>
> This one is important. Did you connect? Yes, it was probably only a 10 -
> 20 minute phone call but you can usually tell a lot about someone in a
short
> period of time. Did this seem like someone you could talk to and
> understand? Did they seem to understand you?
>
> The instructor is what makes or breaks the Bootcamp. If it is someone you
> didn't like talking to on the phone, it's definitely not someone you want
to
> take a week long class from.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Bill Lijewski
> CCIE #8642
> Network Learning Inc
> 5 Day R&S CCIE Bootcamp Instructor
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> bill@eccie.com
> 1-702-968-5100
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Volodymyr Levytskyy
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:02 PM
> To: swm@emanon.com; Administrator; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: boot camp [bcc][faked-from]
> Importance: Low
>
> thanks guys....
>
> i am filling like i need more practice before attend bootcamp, but anyway
> can i get some review of different bootcamp?? there a lot of them, don't
> wanna go wrong
> ccbootcamp, ipexpert, internetworkexpert and netmasterclass are good...
hard
> to say which one is good for me,
> i guess they all different in way how they are going... wanna choose the
> right for me...
>
> thanks again
> vlad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Administrator'" <Administrator@standardaerotech.ca>; "'Volodymyr
> Levytskyy'" <vovan@shaw.ca>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 5:50 PM
> Subject: RE: boot camp
>
>
> > Is there a difference beteen helping to pass the lab exam and helping
you
> > see where you were and what level you were at?
> >
> > I wasn't aware that the two were mutually exclusive of ecah other. Yes,
> the
> > bootcamp should help point out where you are at and see what areas you
> need
> > work with. Yes, the bootcamp should help you develop a strategy. Yes,
it
> > should give you a venue to talk with others in the same boat you are in
> and
> > have your questions adequately answered by a (hopefully) knowledgeable
> > instructor.
> >
> > Are those things all not steps along the way to helping you with your
lab
> > exam? I would think so. That's what is supposed to happen anyway.
> >
> > Nobody can guarantee that you will pass the lab. There are a number of
> > factors outside of an instructor delivering multiple missives to the
> masses,
> > many of which are personal in nature. However, preparation can reach a
> > level where things are familiar enough for someone to pass.
> >
> > Nobody can know everything, but you can be presented with a series of
> > information that allows you a framework to attack any technology thrown
at
> > you. It's that whole "teaching you to fish" rather than presenting a
> > platter of prepared fish for you. The "battle" is different for each
> person
> > though. I do agree with you though that bootcamps promising that you
will
> > pass the exam are crossing a difficult line between philosophy and
> > marketing! (I'm really hoping that we don't PROMISE that! (grin))
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
CISSP,
> > JNCIS, et al.
> > IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> > IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> > http://www.ipexpert.net
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Administrator
> > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:48 AM
> > To: 'Volodymyr Levytskyy'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: boot camp
> >
> > What a crock of crap that is. The bootcamp helped me see where I am and
> > what level I was at. It gave me a chance to see where I stood in
respect
> > to myself, and the other people in the class. It gave me a venue to
> discuss
> > issues with other real live people. The bootcamp that I went to showed
me
> > my areas of weakness, and for 6 months since then I have been bustin my
> a$$
> > to get ready for my first title shot at the CCIE belt.
> >
> > To say that the bootcamps make you pass the lab exam only is BS. Its
> > actually disrespectful to all the people here and the people that teach
> the
> > bootcamp. 5 days does not make you CCIE material, period. I took my
> > bootcamp in Novemeber. I have been doing labs 8 to 10 hours a day every
> day
> > since then. The bootcamp showed me that I had a lot to learn, and then
I
> > went in that direction.
> >
> > As far as I know, there is no easy way to win this battle, to even say
> that
> > is crap.
> >
> > Christian
> > CCIE # (fill in here hopefully soon)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Volodymyr Levytskyy [mailto:vovan@shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:28 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: boot camp
> >
> >
> > Hey people
> >
> > Any comments about different bootcamp. ccbootcamp, ipexpert,
> netmasterclass,
> > ...
> > I heard a lot of people taking boot camp and next day going to take lab
> > exam. Seems like boot camp help to pass lab exam only... But I can be
> > wrong... :)))
> >
> > Thanks...
> > Vlad
> >
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