From: phase90 (phase90@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Apr 03 2004 - 14:17:11 GMT-3
There was a ccie who just got his # when I had my 1st lab failure which was
on 12/13/2002
and was only 20 years of age. So, while I respect him for his CCIEhood, due
to his age we all
know he has very little real-world production network experience. Hopefully
he has 2 more years
now. Still good for him he is a CCIE.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <trouse@cisco.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: Bad Interview Experience
> Thanks for sharing this story. It touches on alot of issues that many of
us can probably relate to.
>
> 1. LACK OF EXPERIENCE>>>>> The one thing that I have found most
intrigueing about my CCIE journey is that there is no way to remember it
all. And occassionally people who appear to know it all cant seem to pass
the lab very easily. Not that they are less of an engineer 'cause they seem
to answer all my questions about CCIE topics but I think it is difficult for
them to seperate from real world best practices and/or some just KNOW they
they are very knowlegable on the topics but they cant humble themselves for
this CCIE lab. We often hear of people who dont study much between a failed
attempt and a successful attempt. They seem to humble themselves and focus
on the basics and not make tedious mistakes. I give much respect to anyone
who can tackle CCIE (regardless of experience). Specially considering the
many unsuccessful attempts we hear about daily on GS.
>
> I say all this to lead into my question: What is the equivalent
experience level of a ccie? Say someone with no experience get a CCIE (
with hard work and commitment none the less ), what are they good for in
your opinion? Are they not a valubable engineer? I have learned more in
preparing for ccie than I have on any one job. Some jobs have very
repetitive task (unless in external customer support -- and it is mostly
repetition in TAC also) and/or you eventually get very intimate with the
in-house network and its baselined performance, so when something goes wrong
you usually know where to begin searching for a problem or you probably
implemented the problem yourself. I have alot of work experience in voice
but not in R&S and CCIE pursuit has made me a better voice engineer now that
I have a better understanding of the medium over which NGN carry voice. I
have never deployed a large OSPF or BGP shop, nor most of the CCIE topics
that I have been practicing daily for the!
> last year outside of my study equipment, which are the only routers I
have been able to experiment with.
>
> 2. Why do people assume CCIEs know everything. I think if you're looking
for someone with a SPECIFIC skill set, you dont need a CCIE. I can just
find someone who has done what you want them to do (before) on a past job.
They can be a CCNA/NP/MCSE, who cares if all you are looking for is a
SPECIFIC skill set. if they've performed similar tasks before you can
leverage their experience. Or do you want someone who can adapt to the
needs of the company, tackle most networking project intellegently along and
MOST daily interenetworking task and design projects. What are your
expectations of a CCIE (fresh or experienced). I work with tons of CCIEs (at
cisco) and you can definitely tell those that have a CCIE from the rest but
it not becuase they know it all (as I stump many of them with my study
questions and could easily do the same in an interview off the top of THEIR
head) but because of the way the tackle project with a methodlogical
approach and master of all technologi!
> es that they are working with at any given time (on an as needed basis).
>
>
> Thanks again for sharing this experience.
>
> In my opinion CCIE is a BEAST that deserves respect for the level of focus
and technical ability it takes to pass it. POINT BLANK. IF IS WAS NOT TO
BE RESPECTED THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THIS GROUP STUDY AND THE MILLIONS OF
POST.
>
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