From: CHIONG, ERWIN R (ASI) (ec2929@sbc.com)
Date: Tue Mar 23 2004 - 23:51:21 GMT-3
These are all interesting opinions. But, this is getting REALLY ridiculous.
My purpose for sending the original post was to SHARE another resource
(NetMasterClass) for obtaining excellent training on the technology of
internetworking, and to make a distinction between learning versus
understanding. Let's NOT misunderstand that I am NOT suggesting that we all
need to attend a 5-day course to be serious about this technology, or learn
a new language to be proficient with internetworking...I do NOT believe this
forum was made for these opinions.
I believe that we have subscribed to this forum as professional engineers
who have a passion for this technology and wish to further improve our
technical skills.
Thanks again to the CCIE participants and professional engineers who help
develop our skills by focusing on the technical nature of the forum, rather
than obscuring it...please DO NOT post otherwise!
Regards,
-Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:richard.dumoulin@vanco.es]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:59 AM
To: SANCHEZ-MONGE,ANTONIO (HP-France,ex2); 'Howard C. Berkowitz';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: NetMasterClass training
Moreover one day spanish will become the most spoken language !!
-----Mensaje original-----
De: SANCHEZ-MONGE,ANTONIO (HP-France,ex2)
[mailto:antonio.sanchez-monge@hp.com]
Enviado el: martes, 23 de marzo de 2004 19:27
Para: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Asunto: RE: NetMasterClass training
Well, good English skills are not needed everywhere. They are in the US, UK
and Australia, but I know many examples of people with very respectable jobs
(is Prime Minister a respectable job?) who do not speak a word of English.
We live in a multicultural, "multilingual" world.
Vale?
;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:hcb@gettcomm.com]
Sent: martes, 23 de marzo de 2004 18:39
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: NetMasterClass training
At 5:05 PM +0000 3/23/04, jgraun@comcast.net wrote:
>Thank you Tom I am glad you understand what must be done. You see,
>I have meet CCIE's that cannot redistribute between two routing
>protocols and dont know what proxy arp is! Why is that everybody
>has this opinion that going into the computer field is easy?! Do
>you see construction workers switching to become CPA's or Lawyers?
>NO! And there is a reason. I have seen too many people that have no
>business touching a production system getting paid well and being
>idiots. It is very frustrating when you have all these hacks that
>think they are your peer and they cannot spell the word computer.
>
Frustrating? An understatement, and I speak literally of your
example. Something I see all too frequently on groupstudy is very
nonstandard spelling, probably in the style of people who make much
use of instant messaging. I can understand this, to an extent, for
people for whom English is not their first language, because they may
not see as much proper writing.
While it isn't formally part of any Cisco exam, the ability to write
coherent and professional English is going to be important in getting
through hiring and, at the very least, advancing in the job.
Ignoring Dilbertian Pointy-Haired Bosses, one of the distinguishing
marks of someone that moves up the professional ladder is the ability
to teach, the ability to document well enough that someone can
understand what they did without personal interpretation, and the
ability to communicate to nontechnical managers and clients.
"What u have 2 do 2 ur puter" simply doesn't cut it [0]. It doesn't
even improve communication here. In many respects, this mailing list
is a practice environment for real jobs. It's as good a place as any
to get into the habits of clear writing.
[0] I am _not_ going to be drawn into Clintonian discussions of the meaning
of "it" or "is". Fool Yoda not is!
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