From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Tue Mar 23 2004 - 23:04:23 GMT-3
And yet, so many of the things that are 'new' today are simply a rehash of
yesterday's thinking...
Some good philosopher once said that there really are no "new" ideas. There
are simply different perspectives on all of the old ones.
Basics, my friends... It's all about the basics...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Dumoulin
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:17 PM
To: Howard C. Berkowitz; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: NetMasterClass training
My manager says there is not such a thing as "Experts" because once you have
dominated a technology a new one is already there ...
Regards
--Richard
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:hcb@gettcomm.com] Enviado el: martes, 23 de
marzo de 2004 15:33
Para: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Asunto: RE: NetMasterClass training
At 7:20 AM +0000 3/23/04, Richard Dumoulin wrote:
>Not sure I like your ironical comment. Do u mean we should all be
>attending a 5-day only course to become experts ?
>In my opinion nothing replaces the day to day troubleshoot/research at
>work/lab,
Whether ironical or not, I don't think there is a consistent definition of
"expert" on this list. Obviously, one definition is to be able to be
certified as a CCIexpert.
Other ways of looking at "expertise" could include any or all of:
--read and understand all of, say, the OSPF RFC
--identify the true theory on why certain protocol designs were made.
For example, fairly quick reading of OSPF and ISIS will show they
encode many options differently. OSPF tends to use bit strings.
ISIS tends to use type-length-value constructs. Why was each approach
chosen?
--design and build an OSPF network of sufficient size and complexity
as to stress various features.
--explain how the features will work in a production network, and
what their inherent advantages and limitations they carry. This
point, incidentally, will exclude a LOT of the people who actually
write router code -- they may be very good real-time programmers,
but they are not necessarily adept at designing or troubleshooting
more than one box in a test environment.
--be able to state the requirements for a new protocol, or meaningfully
critique a protocol proposal draft on an IETF link
--be able to state some design choices for a new protocol. For example,
BGP's paradigm isn't going to last forever. Even in the Internet
Research Task Group, Routing Research subgroup, there isn't yet a
consensus. This is getting into research rather than simple expertise
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: Jason Graun [mailto:jgraun@comcast.net] Enviado el: martes, 23 de
>marzo de 2004 7:27
>Para: 'CHIONG, ERWIN R (ASI)'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Asunto: RE: NetMasterClass training
>
>
>That is good, finally somebody gets it that you must first understand
>the technology and theory behind it before you can become a real
>expert. That is a breath of fresh air around here.
>
>Jason
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>CHIONG, ERWIN R (ASI)
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:02 PM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: NetMasterClass training
>
>I just completed a very intensive 5-day course from NetMasterClass in
>preparation for the CCIE lab, and discovered more about this intriguing
>technology than just trying to obtain the certification. I finally
>realized the big difference between learning the technology and
>understanding the technology. I'm sure most of us can learn the
>technology by studying 24x7 (and eventually pass the lab). But,
>understanding the theory and applications behind the different
>protocols and integrating them together
is
>another story.
>
>The instructors and staff at NetMasterClass really know how to help
>build this understanding. At first, I was a bit apprehensive in paying
>for the course myself. But after experiencing how much they truly care
>about teaching how the technology works and helping you understand the
>theory and its applications (rather than just helping you pass the
>lab), I now know that their NMC2 course goes beyond the CCIE
>certification. For all the engineers who are really serious about this
>industry (not just for the certification), the NetMasterClass training
>is highly recommended. (and no, I am not affiliated with the
>company...just a student of this industry who wishes to share my
>experience)
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