From: Yasser Aly (blackyeyes00@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 2004 - 23:00:55 GMT-3
Hi Shahid,
Well, I am still on my way seeking my number and hopefully I will get with
God will.
I totally respect the proven patience, resistence, and endurance people show
in this hard track to fulfill a dream and I totally agree with your point.
However, if you thought about keeping the CCIE value as it is then you might
consider my point of view.
Any exam in the world should have a limit number of trials.
Regards,
Yasser
>From: "Shafi, Shahid" <sshafi@qualcomm.com>
>To: "Yasser Aly" <blackyeyes00@hotmail.com>, <george_bethel@yahoo.com>,
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
>Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:42:43 -0800
>
>Well Yasser I don't know whether you have a number or not but I am not
>with you on max trials thing. I know some of the CCIEs and they took
>this test over 6 times to pass the thing. To me it shows their patience,
>resistance and endurance. Some people are not good test takers and some
>overdo simple things. It doesn't mean that they don't deserve to get a
>CCIE.
>
>My 2 cents
>Shahid
>#12665
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Yasser Aly
>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:19 PM
>To: george_bethel@yahoo.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
>
>
>Hi George,
>
> Though I don't work for a Cisco partner but I don't agree with you in
>this
>for the following reason:
>Maybe it is not the best place for a CCIE to work in a Cisco Partner,
>still
>the condition that Cisco created for those willing to be partners to
>have
>certain number of CCIEs contributed in maintaining the value of CCIE.
>
> Imagine now if Cisco decided that partners are not obliged to have
>CCIE's
>in their teams, it won't be the same anymore for CCIE world.
>
> I am also confused whether it is a good or bad thing for the CCIE
>program
>and commuunity not to set a max. number of trials to gain the
>certificate.
> I would vote for limiting the max number of trials to get the
>certificate
>for a max. of three trials.
>
>Regards,
>Yasser
>
>
>
>
> >From: George Bethel <george_bethel@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: George Bethel <george_bethel@yahoo.com>
> >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:06:56 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >The CCIE certification is always retained by the individual who earned
> >it.
> >However, for the purposes of the Cisco partner programs a previous
>employer
> >may be able to retain the use of your certification for partner status
> >qualification purposes, only.
> >
> >Unfortunately, CCIE's are less desireable to some Cisco Partners if
> >their
> >certs are not portable for partner status reasons. This should not
> >discourage anyone from getting their CCIE. Cisco partners are some of
>the
> >worst places a CCIE could work anyway.
> >
> >
> >"McCallum, Robert" <robert.mccallum@thus.net> wrote:
> >But surely if you are a ccie and you leave a company it is your number.
>
> >My
> >ccie joining my company passed 6 years ago.
> >
> >Robert McCallum
> >CCIE #8757 R&S
> >01415663448
> >07818002241
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: miken [mailto:miken@sisna.com]
> > > Sent: 26 February 2004 21:07
> > > To: Scott Morris; 'McCallum, Robert'; 'Nki'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE # Association
> > >
> > >
> > > Moral to this story....leave on good terms and they may "let" you
> > > take your number with you =)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Morris"
> > > To: "'miken'" ; "'McCallum, Robert'"
> > > ; "'Nki'" ;
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> > >
> > >
> > > > This can be changed. As long as Cisco gets the permission of your
> > > previous
> > > > employer, then you can get it moved immediately. It's just
> > > a policy
> > > > put
> > > in
> > > > place to prevent corporate CCIE "raiding". :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > > On Behalf
> > > > Of miken
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > > To: McCallum, Robert; 'Nki'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # Association
> > > >
> > > > You may find the information you are looking for in section
> > > 4 on page
> > > > 28:
> > > >
> > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/download/certification/au
> > > dit_062403.pdf
> > > > .
> > > > They way a read it, if you are terminated, you take your
> > > number with
> > > > you.
> > > If
> > > > you leave on a voluntary basis, your previous
> > > employer/Cisco partner
> > > > keeps YOUR number for 12 months..... =(
> > > >
> > > > Mike Nygard, CCIE#12602
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "McCallum, Robert"
> > > > To: "'Nki'" ;
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:09 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That's a good question - I would like to know how you move a
> > > > > ccie from
> > > one
> > > > company to another. We have one starting with us but his number is
> > > already
> > > > associated to another company.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert McCallum
> > > > > CCIE #8757 R&S
> > > > > 01415663448
> > > > > 07818002241
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Nki [mailto:nkionlab@yahoo.co.uk]
> > > > > > Sent: 26 February 2004 18:42
> > > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: OT: CCIE # Association
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you find out if your ccie # is in use by a company?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Will Cisco send a notification email, to let you know that the
>
> > > > > > company you work for has put in a request to use your number
> > > > > > to acheive a level of partnership with Cisco ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does your number automatically gets linked with the company
> > > > > > information on your CCO Profile ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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