From: Yasser Aly (blackyeyes00@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 18 2003 - 18:24:02 GMT-3
Hi Paul,
Hi Brian,
Paul you did a really fantastic job by creating this list. Overtime it
turned to be one of the most useful educational lists that one can use. This
However didn't happen by itself, instead it happened by the generous
contribution of the technical gurus interms of supporting the Groupstudy.
In my humple openion, technical contribution means much more to us than
financial contribution because it is directly reflected on our needs as end
users. Honestly speaking, without the technical contribution for Brian
Dennis and Brian McGahan the value of the list was going to be degraded
severly. I for myself, and I believe many others, when I want to lookup for
an answer that I can't find I goahead and search the groupstudy archives for
both Brian Dennis and McGahan postings, as I find these postings almost
always to the point and gives a clear explanation.
Think about the list without having such Gurus like both Brians here,
honestly speaking things will be much different. I don't say that they don't
get advantage of showing up here as Groupstudy is the best place to
advertise their products, where each lab vendor trying to showup to say hi
guys I am here and if you go with me I can offer so and so.
If GroupStudy needs support, then we as end users, should contribute too.
If you thought how many users are using this list and you changed the
membership in it to be a paid one ( For ex. $10 a year ). This should
support the financial needs of the group with no problem and makes everyone
happy.
Finally, honestly speaking, one of the main advantages after creating
this list was that lab vendors kept competing on offering better labs, more
detailed explanations, and ultimately more benefit for the list users.
Without mentioning vendor names, some of their labs solutions are full of
errors and even some misleading ones and end users start complaining about
their quality. To me I don't see excpet NETMASTERS and Internetwork Expert
as people who really created lab scenarios that worth paying money for.
Without the existence of these commercial workbooks and classes CCIE numbers
were going to reduce heavily.
If you reached that part of my mail I thank you for your time.
Regards,
Yasser
>From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>Reply-To: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: Supporting GroupStudy
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:18 -0800
>
>Paul,
> As far as supporting GroupStudy, I don't see how you can honestly
>say that Brian McGahan and I do not support GroupStudy. Both of us have
>spent countless hours replying to hundreds of postings on GroupStudy. In
>the past year alone we have replied to nearly 1000 e-mails on GroupStudy.
>If someone was really interested in supporting GroupStudy, they should not
>only give 'money', but give their 'time' helping the people here on this
>list.
>Brian McGahan and I have offered both. If there were not people willing to
>give up their own time to help others (Scott Morris, Howard Berkowitz, Dave
>Madland, and countless others) where would GroupStudy be today?
>
> Although we are not selling our workbook in your store, we have
>offered many times (without your reply) to purchase banner ads to help
>support GroupStudy. As I have personally offered numerous times in the
>past, I will cover your monthly hosting fees in regards to the GroupStudy
>servers. This offer still holds true today.
>
> It is not fair to IPExpert and CertificationZone (both resellers in
>your store) that you make a recommendation to buy NetMaster's CCIE products
>over their CCIE products. Isn't GroupStudy supposed to be a vendor
>independent list?
>
> Lastly, I hope that this e-mail does not get Brian McGahan or I
>removed from the list. Personally I've been here for 4 years and truly
>enjoy answering questions and helping others. If GroupStudy needs
>financial
>support just tell me where to send a check.
>
>Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
>bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Paul
>Borghese
>Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:29 AM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: NETMASTER
>
>Internetworking Experts have chosen not to support GroupStudy by
>allowing us to sell their product in the store. Netmaster and IP Expert
>does support us by allowing us to sell their product in the store. The
>amount of money we receive from reselling both products is very generous
>and allows me to pay the $500/month bill for the operation of
>GroupStudy.
>
>If you are in the market and are debating between Netmaster and Internet
>Experts, please take a hard look at Netmaster. Netmaster seems to be
>the current market leader, they have fantastic support, and are very
>proactive with keeping the product updated. The Netmaster authors are
>well regarded for their book Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs,
>which seems to be a "Must Have" for CCIE Students
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0130903892/groupstudycom.
>Go to any bookstore and take a look at their CCIE prep book to get an
>idea of their writing style. A sample lab of the Netmaster product is
>available at:
>
>http://shop.groupstudy.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_24&products_id=33.
>
>This month we have been allowed to sell the Netmaster product for $120
>off the regular price. This special is good until December 31.
>
>
>Take care,
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>arvindyadav@comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:12 AM
>To: Brian McGahan; 'Tariq'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: NETMASTER
>
>I was aware of only Inexpert and Netmasters. I haven't heard about
>"Internetwork Expert's CCIE Routing & Switching Lab Workbook". It looks
>very
>impressive, Does anyone used this book...any feedback
>
>Paul: Do you have this book on gorupstudy to purchase.
>
>I am not happy with IPexpert at all, for the name of solution they just
>provide only router configs.. not a single work for explanation. It's
>very
>frustrating sometimes when you got stuck somewhere and you don't find
>any
>details.
>
>regds
>Arivnd
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>To: "'Tariq'" <tariq.bin.azad@cox.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:42 PM
>Subject: RE: NETMASTER
>
>
> > Tariq,
> >
> > As one of the authors of Internetwork Expert's CCIE Routing &
> > Switching Lab Workbook I'm obviously going to be biased as to which
>one
>you
> > should choose, but let me give you a small piece of advice. There are
>a
> > number of products available to help you study for the CCIE Routing &
> > Switching Lab Exam: self-paced workbooks, instructor led classes,
>distance
> > learning, etc. Different people learn better different ways. What
>works
> > for you may not necessarily work for someone else.
> >
> > The majority of self-paced products available include a sample
> > chapter for free, mine included. Instead of basing your decision on
>other
> > people's comments check out the products yourself and make your own
>judgment
> > call.
> >
> > Here are some links to some of the self-paced products and their
> > accompanying sample chapters:
> >
> > IPExpert 5.0:
> > http://www.ipexpert.net/downloads/IPexpert_R&S_Sample.zip
> >
> > Internetwork Expert's CCIE Routing & Switching Lab Workbook:
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/012000358.htm
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/downloads/iewb-rs.sample.lab.pdf
> >
> > NetMasterClass DOiT:
> > http://www.netmasterclass.net/site/doit1.php
> > http://www.netmasterclass.net/site/pdf/DOiT-SAMPLE-SCENARIO.pdf
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 708-362-1418 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>Of
> > > Tariq
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:18 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: NETMASTER
> > >
> > > Gentlemen:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Have any body used NETMASTER?
> > >
> > > I am looking for feedback. Please let me know which one is good.
>NETMASTER
> > > or IPEXPERT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tariq
> > >
> > >
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