From: phase90 (phase90@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Dec 15 2003 - 22:12:07 GMT-3
Scott I agree with you 100% on this reply. This is why I would venture to
say
that if you would count the numbers, I am very certain that most R&S ccies
go for security as their 2nd ccie because of the huge security issues in
the industry today and upcoming.
Maybe you even did this yourself! Unfortunately for me since the govt won't
even back me for the R&S ccie, I don't touch the PIX anymore. But I still
lurk on this list because of all the
great subtleties I can pick up. My ccie candidacy just expired on the 13th.
I still will try to get it
in spite of the govt. but 1st I will "collect" some routers before taking
the written again. The problem is they spent 7 BILLION on an e-mail system
and so they don't have any money leftover to buy a ccie router pod that I
could do scenarios on! I think that is a damn shame!
End-of-Rant ... Thanks for listening. I have to go over my friends place
now to watch the Eagles
whip the Dolphins on a 10 foot screen. Have a good night.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'phase90'" <phase90@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE FOR SALE !!!1
But you're also assuming that the different CCIE's are so incredibly far
apart as to be electrical/hardware versus driver programming. They
aren't. Networking is an incredibly small area of technology, and
things are very closely related.
Knowing one area puts you that much closer to learning another. And
some organizations delineate very specifically to whose job is what,
others do not. As a consultant, you have to be able to wear as many
hats as possible, or sit in as many places as possible. If nothing
else, you need to know how everything fits together, otherwise, what
value are you bringing in?
Configuring routers is not "just" a use it or lose it scenario. Along
the way, one assumes that you will learn something about the technology
in depth. Technologies work the same (if not very similar) across many
platforms. I have picked up work on Riverstone gear without any
difficulty, Checkpoint and Netscreen gear without having seen them
before, Juniper gear with minor adjustments. The underlying
technologies are pretty much the same.
If you niche yourself in a Cisco-only world, then that would be a
choice, not a problem of being a CCIE! Programming on the other hand
changes day by day (so it seems anyway, to a non-participant!). Not
that you don't have to keep up with IOS skills, but it's not as black
and white.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: phase90 [mailto:phase90@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:17 PM
To: swm@emanon.com
Subject: Re: CCIE FOR SALE !!!1
Scott,
This is quite a huge leap of logic. I don't think any of
that
"logically- inferred".
All I'm trying to say is I don't know of anyone who is going to get a
job on a real-world project where he / she is doing the electrical
design / fabrication and then, after putting in an 8 hour day, writing
the software for it.
Usually on a project of such large scope they have a hardware team and a
software team and the
individual is on 1 or the other but not both. Of course there maybe a
couple of exceptions to the
rule as in everything. Of course a dual major may be able to interview
for either task. Also, from most people I talk to, as is the case in
configuring Cisco routers, it is a "use it or lose it" talent
with software. I myself would never consider going for a programming job
after being out of it for so long. That's all!
Jerry
former ccie candidate
thanks to the govt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'phase90'" <phase90@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE FOR SALE !!!1
So by the same logic, not being adequately prepare for your SAT exams in
high school may limit your potential for college choices. So not being
told to prepare ahead of time would then mean that college would be a
tremendous four + year wasted effort?
None of the scenarios are tough once you get over the nervous portion of
the exam and provided you know the basics that it is covering. Having
done my exam before there were any sort of "lab prep" books or courses
out there, I can say that there are some things that have to be
understood ahead of time.
The folks who have multiple majors may do so to increase their
employment opportunities. The same for having multiple CCIE's. It's
not just to relieve boredom, or because some people have extra money to
spend on useless things, but for an achievement that will yield
additional business going forward. As for majors paying off or not,
that all depends on what you make of things. I was a photojournalism
major with minor studies in philophy and poli sci - constitutional law.
None of those have much to do with computers or networks or anything
else in the binary world!
Things are only a wasted effort if you let them be that way...
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: phase90 [mailto:phase90@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:45 PM
To: Scott Morris
Subject: Re: CCIE FOR SALE !!!1
Actually Scott that part I agree about 50% with the guy. Please correct
me if I am wrong but here goes. When I was going through my computer
science degrees in the early 80s I knew few guys who were going to be
dual majors :computer science and electrical engineering and that was
very admirable except for the fact that in the real world job scenario
most people work an 8 hour 40/week job and so, practically speaking 1 of
the 2 majors was an entire waste of time as far as professionally
speaking. Of course it's nice to have 2 or more majors for the sake of
philosophy and winning at Jeopardy. Your multiple CCIEs are awesome in
my estimation. Sadly, due to financially not being able to afford a ccie
lab rack I have to give up after 1 attempt at RTP last Dec 13th.
Although I failed miserably I actually didn't think my scenario was that
tough and I believe had I [ and many others ]lived in that perfect-world
where I had all the extra routers, I probably would have my ccie number
by now. I wish somebody would have told me to get a rack of routers
before wasting my time and energy in passing the written part. What a
tremendously wasted effort.
Jerry
CCIE candidate for 4 more days!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'fadnan habib'" <adnan_habib87@hotmail.com>;
<CCIELAB@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE FOR SALE !!!1
> Somehow, with your grasp of subtlety and your typing abilities, I
> doubt Juniper would want to claim you for one of their engineers
> either. 'cause you're missing the point. But I'm sure you knew that
> already. I think that's half the point of having a Hotmail account.
>
> Scott -- One of those multiple CCIE's that isn't important
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of fadnan habib
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: CCIELAB@groupstudy.com
> Cc: ADNAN_HABIB87@hotmail.com
> Subject: CCIE FOR SALE !!!1
>
>
> Dear all
>
> I am sorry but today I am going to explain some of the importance of
> ccie in daily life ,,, infect it was my dream to have a ccie from
> childhood and at the end of my young age I achieved !! wow !!at least
> now no more wish to go here are some important point that can help
> full for people that planning to take this exam in next 20 years by
> the way who know cisco will be there or it will become disco
>
>
>
> 1.if some one is planning to take the exam there are so many sites are
> offering on very cheap rates the original LABSs which u can pass on
> first attempt no pain no worries basis simple solution is to go to
> google .com and in search just type original labs for ccie and u will
> find at least 10000 companies offering this service J one site I know
> is suresh home page
>
> 2.if this will not work second simple solution is there are so many
> site I mean lab centers are offering this service I know three of them
> and my friend they passed from them send me off line email I will give
> u the complete guide for this
>
> 3.cisco speed of changing the LABSs is very slow just grap one old
> ccie person asked him about LABS and by YOUR luck u will get the same
> LAB..
>
> I dont know y cisco is doing like Microsoft that they dont care
> about this cases !!!even they are happy for growing population of ccie
> more ccie more product in the market ,,, if some people are not agree
> with me can they answer y people are going for dual or thrice ccie I
> had seen five ccie cleared also may be he will be the owner of cisco,
> for this there are two reason one is they want to be unique other is
> they have recourses in centers or to web sites.J in past when there
> was no that such a way ccie in single subject was more good then any
> thing like three PHD
>
> this is very serious issue who invest his life to became a ccie for
> nothing by the way I had seen lot of people they adopt this way and
> after getting their ccie from their exp they learned because in real
> world there is rare chance to work on complex BGP 4.0
>
> my questions to ciso is
>
> re-certification should be again the practical not the theory again
> that can control lot of population for ccie
>
> why not they control the population of ccie s as u can see from ccie
> security y not they put the same standard to routing and switching
> also u can see routing and switching 14000 but security less then 300
> people ? some day the numeric num for ccie will be finished and then
> they will start binary num cisco has closed his eyes when this ways
> every one know ccie is like a ccnp now ,,,,where u can get the real
> questions from prometric centers ..
>
> ADNAN(CCIE #001.220.3330.32222)
>
> JUNIPER NETWORK ENGINEER
>
> take care best regards,
>
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