From: Dan Vargas (dvrgas@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Oct 23 2003 - 13:56:11 GMT-3
FYI this is my first posting so sorry if I do not post this correctly.
I received a similar answer from the proctor in RTP. That comment was the script provides a score and based on the score the proctor makes a choice. Below an range the test is a failure, above a range it is a pass, but within this"range" the proctor would manually review the test. I can only say I hope his ranges was generous.
Not to rub it in to those of you who are studying your ass off, I did pass on my first attempt.
I do feel that the subject matter is huge but I take the approach of, if I do not know it I'd better know where to find it (doc cd).
Dan Vargas
CCIE#11317
CCSP, CCDP
CCNP, CCDA
CCNA
seonghui <seonghui@vads.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
Sorry for bringing up the word 'cisco-way'. As I said earlier, I believe the
grading system is fair and accurate. It was probably my 'excuse' for saying
'cisco-way' after failing my 1st attempt.
I have been trying to post to groupstudy.com on my 'success story + painful
story' since I passed in Sydney last week on my 2nd attempt but the email
failed to send out. Maybe the email was too long :)
I can say that on my 2nd attempt, I was more careful and I referred to the
Doc CD a lot. Luck was with me on that day that I found most of the answers
in the Doc CD. Maybe it was what cisco wants. And also, I asked the proctor
a lot of questionsssss!
Anyone who would like to know how I prepared for the lab, what book i used,
etc. please email me offline. I am still on holiday, but I'll try to help in
which ever way I can.
Regards - SH
CCIE #12372, CCDP, CCNP, CSE
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
ccie2be
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:42 AM
To: Richard L. Pickard; 'Deluzio, Jamey A (Jamey)';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE grading script
Hi all,
Normally, I don't chime in on these discussions - I'm too busy doing
practice labs or other lab prep, but I felt this talk of "The Cisco Way" is
getting out of hand.
Personally, I don't believe there's such a thing as "The Cisco Way". If the
exam asks you to filter a route, you can thing of multiple ways to
accomplish this task and the lab doesn't prohibit you from using any of the
methods that accomplish that task, you will get credit for that task if it
works properly regardless of the method you use.
The problem, IMHO, is that there might be another task or requirement which
precludes one or more of the methods you've thought of and thereby
implicitly prevent the use of a particular method. The key I think to
success on this exam, besides, of course, knowing how to configure a vast
number of things, is READING THE REQUIREMENTS CAREFULLY.
Suppose you're required to provide an alternative means of connectivity in
case a F/R circuit fails between 2 routers. One's initial response might
be, "OK, this is no biggie. I'll just do a back up interface". If that's
what you do, I suspect you'll lose some points even though that approach
appears to be completely reasonable. And, the reason you'll lose some
points is that the back up interface command monitors the physical interface
specified. Well, the physical interface might be working perfectly but
there's still lose of connectivity between the 2 routers because something
within the frame relay cloud failed. In this case, the backup interface
approach won't work. Although you were never told to use dialer watch, you
lost points because you either didn't realize exactly how backup interface
works or you didn't read the requirement carefully enough. You might have
known how to configure dialer watch and you might have even practiced it
before the lab but you still lost points because you didn't see you needed
to implement this method.
Now, before anyone thinks I'm violating the nda, let me just say, I made
this example up off the top of my head. I have no idea whether something
like this is on the exam and it's been over 2 years since my last attempt.
But, I can easily imagine points being lost for something analagous to this
example.
I suspect the exam and it's scoring isn't perfect but I also suspect that
the number of people who don't pass the exam because of imperfections in the
exam or it's scoring is very, very small. That said, given the cost and
effort most of us make to prepare for this exam, any imperfection in the
exam or it's scoring is unacceptable. And, where such cases are discovered,
Cisco should provide, at a minimum, 2 free lab retakes.
Personally, I believe Cisco should also make public a limited number of
previous recent exams. If law students and accountants are allowed to see
previous bar and cpa exams why shouldn't ccie candidates be allowed access
to a similar resource?
Thinking about or trying to figure out "The Cisco Way" I firmly believe is
just a waste of time and mental bandwidth. After knowing how to configure a
gazillion things flawlessly, the most important key to success is READING
THE REQUIREMENTS CAREFULLY AND MAKING SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
INSTRUCTIONS ARE ASKING YOU TO DO. If you're not sure what the instructions
are asking you to do, ask the proctor if he can clarify them. While he
probably won't answer your question, he may say something that's helpful.
for what it's worth, that's my 3 cents.
dt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L. Pickard"
To: "'Deluzio, Jamey A (Jamey)'" ;
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE grading script
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Deluzio, Jamey A (Jamey)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:36 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE grading script
>
> I think there are some significant problems with the way the labs are
> graded and the "Cisco Way". For the money we spend I don't think that a
> rescore should even be an option because the test should be graded
> correctly the 1st time. I know that rescores rarely come back as a pass
> but quite often I believe they come back with more points added.
>
> On top of that I've seen numerous e-mails where people admit they
> received credit on sections that they did not attempt or complete or
> received impossible percentages based on the values of the questions in
> the section.
>
> There was also a thread here
> (http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200307/msg01786.html) where
> someone proved to Cisco that there was a flaw in the lab he was given
> and he was able to retake the lab at no cost. I wonder if they
> contacted anyone else who had received the faulty lab and offered to let
> them retake the test (I'm sure at least some of the people attempted to
> work with the proctor on the faulty section and were just told to
> "re-read the question".
>
> I apologize if I sound bitter but for the price we deserve an honest
> test and an accurate score report that actually means something.
> Passing the CCIE Lab is a huge accomplishment and very valuable but I
> feel that Cisco has lost site of the fact that their certification tests
> are products and we the test takers are customers.
>
>
> Jamey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k c [mailto:jwongccie@yahoo.com.hk]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:09 AM
> To: seonghui; 'Kaiser Anwar'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE grading script
>
> How do we know the Cisco-way? Heard many times that if our
> configurations don't match the Cisco's answer, then we may get wrong
> even we meet the target. Is the Cisco-way already hidden in the question
> and we don't understand the Cisco-word? For example, if Cisco expects
> "NAT" is the final solution, but we use another method to complete the
> request, will we lose mark? It is not fair if no hints can be found in
> the questions?
>
> Tan Chai Heng wrote:Hi SeongHui,
>
> "I think the most important thing to pass the exam is not only getting
> the
> configurations work, but you must meet certain criterias or ways of
> configuring the lab that cisco expects you to do...I call it the
> 'cisco-way'."
>
> What do you mean by the "Cisco way"?
>
> Thanks!
> CH
>
>
> At 03:50 PM 9/25/2003, seonghui wrote:
> >Hi Anwar,
> >
> >I had the chance of talking to the proctor in Sydney during lunch time
> and
> >raised the same question to him. He told me that the script is a very
> >intelligent program 'custom made' to mark the different labs. According
> to
> >him, this script acts as a helper to them to do some ping, pick up the
> >routes in the routing table, check the necessary protocols, commands
> etc.
> >
> >However, if the script marks wrong for certain sections, the proctor
> will
> >personally look at those sections. If it makes sense to him and thinks
> that
> >your config is ok, he will award you the point. However, if it is a
> rescore,
> >your config will be loaded by a proctor in another location, and he
> will
> >manually mark the config without running the script.
> >
> >The above was the answer from the proctor in Sydney. He is a very nice,
> >helpful and friendly guy. I believe the marking system is fair and
> >accurate...eventhough i didn't make it to pass on the first attempt. I
> think
> >the most important thing to pass the exam is not only getting the
> >configurations work, but you must meet certain criterias or ways of
> >configuring the lab that cisco expects you to do...I call it the
> >'cisco-way'.
> >
> >regards - SH
>
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