From: Larry Letterman (lletterm@cisco.com)
Date: Wed Oct 01 2003 - 18:09:32 GMT-3
Its being worked on currently..
Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:jezerski@broadcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:31 AM
To: 'Larry Letterman'; jgraun@comcast.net; 'Barney Gaumer'
Cc: c0ckhead2000@yahoo.com; 'Edmund Tham'; KMirza@coh.org;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE's Looking for employment
Larry:
When is Cisco going to migrate Call Manager to something other than
Windows? This is my main beef with going Cisco for VOIP. If you want
any kind of serious uptime and reliability, it has to be UNIX. You
might argue that using a Call Mgr cluster on Windows is just as good,
but I say it is not. With the latest worms it would have creamed any
unpatched cluster.
I fight with our own phone guys, who prefer Avaya, and I can never
defend the "Windows Server" position.
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Letterman
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:06 AM
To: jgraun@comcast.net; 'Barney Gaumer'
Cc: c0ckhead2000@yahoo.com; 'Edmund Tham'; KMirza@coh.org;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE's Looking for employment
Obviously you don't have IP telephony on your network. Our ip telephony
People have expertise in unix/NT for the call mgr servers as well as
CCNP/CCIE Credentials, most of them coming from the SJ lan team
previously...
Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
jgraun@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Barney Gaumer
Cc: c0ckhead2000@yahoo.com; Edmund Tham; KMirza@coh.org;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE's Looking for employment
I strongly disagree, real network guys have to understand apps, how OSes
work basically every layer of the OSI model, admins just care about
their box or their app and nothing else. Most companies treat
everything as a network problem.
steve
> Hmmm...
>
> gated, zebra, routed... ever heard of those? Don't be
> so small minded. And what os do you think Bozak built
> IOS from??
>
> I have 2 ABR's that are unix, an HA pair running gated
> that are BSD and a Sun E250 runnig zebra.
>
> When comments like that Windows admin thing and the
> Unix admin thing are made it diminishes us as
> professionals. We need to stay above that kind of
> stuff. without them there is no need for us.
>
> IMHO,
> Barney
> --- jgraun@comcast.net wrote:
> > I doubt that. Must UNIX admins just care about
> > there boxes and that is it.
> > > I work with Unix admins that probably know more
> > about
> > > networking than you!
> > >
> > > Cockhead!
> > >
> > > B
> > > --- "c0ckhead2000@yahoo.com"
> > <c0ckhead2000@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I see a lot of people tell me that they are
> > "network
> > > > engineers" but being a windows network admin or
> > a
> > > > UNIX network admin doesnt count. These people
> > cant
> > > > tell me how traceroute works, they ask what TCP
> > > > IPsec uses, they ask what ports need to be
> > opened
> > > > inbound on a firewall for a session keepalive.
> > And
> > > > still they tell me that they are network people,
> > > > then I ask them about BGP and they get scared,
> > they
> > > > are a bunch of jokers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > Edmund Tham <edmund_tcm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I am also a CCIE recently. I have 4 year+ of
> > work
> > > > experience with lots of
> > > > field experience. I am trying to change job to
> > get
> > > > better pay because my
> > > > company is not paying me what a CCIE should be
> > paid
> > > > and my pay sucks. But I
> > > > found that the job market is very saturated with network
> > > > engineer. Don't say
> >
> > > > about screwing up in job interview, I don't even
> > > > have a chance to go for job
> > > > interview with all the application that I have
> > sent
> > > > out. I really don't know
> > > > what the employeer are looking for nowsaday.
> > Maybe
> > > > nowsaday looking for a
> > > > job is not what u know.... but who u know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "fggf fgffg"
> > > > To:
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:38 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE's Looking for employment
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am a new CCIE, I passed two months ago. I am
> > > > still looking for my first
> > > > computer job, currently I am back-hoe driver for
> > a
> > > > construction company, but
> > > > I read every post on the site and went to every
> > CCIE
> > > > bootcamp for dummies I
> > > > could, so I would only want 110k per year and 4
> > > > weeks vacation. I am fast
> > > > learner so don't worry about my lack of
> > experience.
> > > > What else can you tell
> > > > me about the job.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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