From: ccie2be (ccie2be@nyc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Sep 15 2003 - 12:26:42 GMT-3
Hi Paul,
Personally, from this user's point of view, I think candidates for each ccie
track would be better served with a separate mailing list and my inbox would
be less cluttered.
I'm curios to hear what others think.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Borghese" <pborghese@groupstudy.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: Voice track mailing list?
> Hey,
>
> Is anyone interested in a CCIE voice mailing list? I have had a few
> requests in the past and can set that up for us if people will find it
> useful.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:08 PM
> To: 'Barman, Partha'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: voice track
>
> Yup. Looks to be a royal pain, but a little exciting along the way! :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Barman, Partha
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:49 PM
> To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
> Subject: RE: voice track
>
>
> So, is there anybody out here going for the CCIE Voice track :?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Williams
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Tony Schaffran'; 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: 9/13/2003 8:43 PM
> Subject: RE: voice track
>
> I agree that anyone that does network would benefit from (and probably
> has) experience with MS servers of some sort. Many people I know in
> networking worked their way from Desktop/Workstation support, on through
> Server support/admin and then over to networking.
>
> However, I understand what they're saying about moving back towards MS
> server admin with IP Telephony. Even tho (as you pointed out) you can
> buy pre-configured systems, there are still patches, updates, service
> packs, etc that you will then need to keep up on. I for one have no
> desire to deal with server administration, even at that level.
>
> I also agree that the most fun part is the QoS, dial plans, etc......
> I'd be much more likely to hand the actual MS-based servers (support)
> over to our server team to maintain....... (not that I *couldn't* do it,
> as I understand the servers as well as they do, but it's a headache.....
> One that I got into networking to get away from)
>
> Mike W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:38 AM
> To: 'Tony Schaffran'; 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: voice track
>
>
> Like any other area though, there are the right people for the right
> job.
>
> Are you telling me that the data networks you work on don't have
> servers? That you don't have to be familiar with things on the servers
> in order to make the network work right? Did that mean you administered
> the servers directly?
>
> Nobody lives in a microcosm. On any decent sized deployment, there
> should be server admins to handle the basic MS stuff. All in all
> though, the CM system comes pretty well set now-days, and the patches
> are blessed by Cisco aren't huge in number. So let the MS admins do the
> MS admin stuff.
>
> How much MS admin do you have to do? I certainly haven't done all that
> much on systems I've worked on.
>
> The fun stuff about IPTel is working with the QoS (LAN and WAN) and
> setting up security, and creating the exciting dial plans and route
> lists. That can be just as complicated and exciting as any routing
> protocol can.
>
> Bottom line is that you shouldn't have to do much MS admin work. Cisco's
> done a decent job of moving away from that. Unity initial setup being a
> different story if you choose to not by a pre-configured system (MCS
> platform) from Cisco. Otherwise though, the ones I've done haven't been
> that bad! (maybe I just have a high MS tolerance level *shrug*)
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Tony Schaffran
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: voice track
>
>
> Tom,
>
> I have slipped into the world of IP Telephony and I can tell you from my
> experience that it is much less enjoyable because of the reasons you
> have pointed out. If anyone has worked with Microsoft servers and had
> to maintain them, they should know what we are talking about. Yes, the
> work is there, but you are being sucked into being a microsoft server
> administrator. Been there, done that, didn't like it. That is why I
> have chosen to be a CCIE.
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Larus
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: ccie done; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: voice track
>
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else has found IP Telephony to be a much
> less enjoyable area than routing and switching. I know it is a great
> area for finding work, but I am speaking here of how enjoyable the work
> or subject matter has turned out to be for you.
>
> I am a language person, and enjoy the Cisco IOS because it is intuitive,
> powerful and flexible. PIX OS is almost as good, but not quite as
> user-friendly because it lacks the magnificent interactive help feature
> that tells you the possible options at any stage.
>
> I find building and configuring servers (even using a GUI) a whole lot
> less fun. And a lot more tedious. A lot of IP Telephony involves
> configuring servers, patching servers, rebuilding servers when there is
> a serious problem, carefully dealing with backup and restore and
> registry issues.
>
> The whole business of running complex applications on top of a Microsoft
> OS is a whole lot more risky than using features that are built into
> IOS. When something goes wrong on a router, I feel more confident about
> being able to find a solution. With Microsoft, a misplaced DLL or one
> wrong registry value (among thousands) can hang or crash everything, and
> very few people would know exactly how to fix it.
>
> Now the hardware and IOS side of Voice can be a lot of fun. QOS
> features necessary for Voice to work properly are fascinating.
>
> Anyone else feel the same way?
>
> Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 (Routing and Switching)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ccie done" <ccie1@lycos.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:50 AM
> Subject: voice track
>
>
> > hello list :)
> > after long break time one must come back :)
> >
> > i am wondering if anyone here intersted in the new voice track ..seems
>
> > to
> be a nice track and trend coming up ..is there a plan to have separate
> list for that track ??
> >
> > since im strating to build my voice-track setup ..is there a big
> difference between the 6503 and the 5500 previously used in the R&S exam
> ?? or 5500 will do the job .
> >
> >
> >
> > anyone interested to discuss about the voice ..just answer
> >
> >
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