From: Messina, John V (john@crimsoncti.com)
Date: Mon Sep 15 2003 - 20:50:16 GMT-3
I would find it useful.
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From: Paul Borghese [mailto:pborghese@groupstudy.com]
Sent: Mon 9/15/2003 10:38 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Cc:
Subject: Voice track mailing list?
Hey,
Is anyone interested in a CCIE voice mailing list? I have had a few
requests in the past and can set that up for us if people will find it
useful.
Paul
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:08 PM
To: 'Barman, Partha'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: voice track
Yup. Looks to be a royal pain, but a little exciting along the way! :)
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Barman, Partha
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:49 PM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
Subject: RE: voice track
So, is there anybody out here going for the CCIE Voice track :?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Williams
To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Tony Schaffran'; 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: 9/13/2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: voice track
I agree that anyone that does network would benefit from (and probably
has) experience with MS servers of some sort. Many people I know in
networking worked their way from Desktop/Workstation support, on through
Server support/admin and then over to networking.
However, I understand what they're saying about moving back towards MS
server admin with IP Telephony. Even tho (as you pointed out) you can
buy pre-configured systems, there are still patches, updates, service
packs, etc that you will then need to keep up on. I for one have no
desire to deal with server administration, even at that level.
I also agree that the most fun part is the QoS, dial plans, etc......
I'd be much more likely to hand the actual MS-based servers (support)
over to our server team to maintain....... (not that I *couldn't* do it,
as I understand the servers as well as they do, but it's a headache.....
One that I got into networking to get away from)
Mike W.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:38 AM
To: 'Tony Schaffran'; 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: voice track
Like any other area though, there are the right people for the right
job.
Are you telling me that the data networks you work on don't have
servers? That you don't have to be familiar with things on the servers
in order to make the network work right? Did that mean you administered
the servers directly?
Nobody lives in a microcosm. On any decent sized deployment, there
should be server admins to handle the basic MS stuff. All in all
though, the CM system comes pretty well set now-days, and the patches
are blessed by Cisco aren't huge in number. So let the MS admins do the
MS admin stuff.
How much MS admin do you have to do? I certainly haven't done all that
much on systems I've worked on.
The fun stuff about IPTel is working with the QoS (LAN and WAN) and
setting up security, and creating the exciting dial plans and route
lists. That can be just as complicated and exciting as any routing
protocol can.
Bottom line is that you shouldn't have to do much MS admin work. Cisco's
done a decent job of moving away from that. Unity initial setup being a
different story if you choose to not by a pre-configured system (MCS
platform) from Cisco. Otherwise though, the ones I've done haven't been
that bad! (maybe I just have a high MS tolerance level *shrug*)
Scott
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tony Schaffran
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:26 AM
To: 'Thomas Larus'; 'ccie done'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: voice track
Tom,
I have slipped into the world of IP Telephony and I can tell you from my
experience that it is much less enjoyable because of the reasons you
have pointed out. If anyone has worked with Microsoft servers and had
to maintain them, they should know what we are talking about. Yes, the
work is there, but you are being sucked into being a microsoft server
administrator. Been there, done that, didn't like it. That is why I
have chosen to be a CCIE.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas Larus
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:23 AM
To: ccie done; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: voice track
I was just wondering if anyone else has found IP Telephony to be a much
less enjoyable area than routing and switching. I know it is a great
area for finding work, but I am speaking here of how enjoyable the work
or subject matter has turned out to be for you.
I am a language person, and enjoy the Cisco IOS because it is intuitive,
powerful and flexible. PIX OS is almost as good, but not quite as
user-friendly because it lacks the magnificent interactive help feature
that tells you the possible options at any stage.
I find building and configuring servers (even using a GUI) a whole lot
less fun. And a lot more tedious. A lot of IP Telephony involves
configuring servers, patching servers, rebuilding servers when there is
a serious problem, carefully dealing with backup and restore and
registry issues.
The whole business of running complex applications on top of a Microsoft
OS is a whole lot more risky than using features that are built into
IOS. When something goes wrong on a router, I feel more confident about
being able to find a solution. With Microsoft, a misplaced DLL or one
wrong registry value (among thousands) can hang or crash everything, and
very few people would know exactly how to fix it.
Now the hardware and IOS side of Voice can be a lot of fun. QOS
features necessary for Voice to work properly are fascinating.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 (Routing and Switching)
----- Original Message -----
From: "ccie done" <ccie1@lycos.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:50 AM
Subject: voice track
> hello list :)
> after long break time one must come back :)
>
> i am wondering if anyone here intersted in the new voice track ..seems
> to
be a nice track and trend coming up ..is there a plan to have separate
list for that track ??
>
> since im strating to build my voice-track setup ..is there a big
difference between the 6503 and the 5500 previously used in the R&S exam
?? or 5500 will do the job .
>
>
>
> anyone interested to discuss about the voice ..just answer
>
>
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