From: mitchel.hohstadt@netcom.army.mil
Date: Wed Aug 06 2003 - 14:41:26 GMT-3
I send the person an email off line telling them what I am about to do, then
I forward the email in question directly to the CCIE program. They usually
act very quickly. One time the offender was a Cisco employee, that was a
funny one.
Mitch
-----Original Message-----
From: Logan, Harold [mailto:loganh@mccfl.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:43 AM
To: akbar khan; i_sameer@hotmail.com; sanjay_wc@hotmail.com;
deepesh@cisco.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Reminder of NDA -- Re: CCIE # 12046
Disclaimer: I am not a mod. It has always been my opinion though that the
best response to suspected NDA violations on the list is to either:
1. Ignore it.
2. Report it to a moderator
3. Take it up with the suspected violator off-list.
The absolute worst thing to do is to mention it on-list, because then you're
drawing attention to the alleged violation.
Having said that, the literary scholar that's capable of reading through ALL
THAT STUFF below and finding a useful piece of NDA-violating material
deserves whatever perceived edge they get on the next lab because of it.
Anyone with the patience to read through all that deserves it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: akbar khan [mailto:ciscokhan@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:20 AM
> To: i_sameer@hotmail.com; sanjay_wc@hotmail.com; deepesh@cisco.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Reminder of NDA -- Re: CCIE # 12046
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Be aware of N.D.A , although Iam not a moderator of this group but I
> still feel that I should vow to all to remain courteous and
> committed to
> keep this group as a legitimate source of learnings and
> knowledge base
> discussion and nothing beyond this...!
>
> Akbar khan
>
> >From: "sameer inam" >Reply-To: "sameer inam" >To:
> sanjay_wc@hotmail.com,
> deepesh@cisco.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com >Subject: Re: CCIE # 12046
> >Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 04:32:56 +0000 > >congrate for the
> clear the CCIE
> LAB ...i am also started the preparation >of CCIE lab can u
> tell me wat
> type question there ...and wat type senorio >ok > >i really
> thank full to
> you > >take care > >sameer > > >From: "Sanjay W" >Reply-To: "Sanjay W"
> >To: "Deepesh Chouhan" , "group >study" >Subject: Re: CCIE #
> 12046 >Date:
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> >ccielab-owner@groupstudy.com > >Deepesh......congratulations on your
> >achievement and thank you very much for >your words of
> encouragement and
> >advice....all of which I believe are a >result of enjoying
> the journey.
> > > >Thx, >Sanjay. >----- Original Message ----- >From:
> "Deepesh Chouhan"
> > >To: "group study" >Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:17 PM >Subject:
> CCIE ># 12046 > > > > Hey folks > > > > Finally - CCIE #
> 12046 (On July
> 31st in >San Jose) > > > > Few common/not-so-common tips and
> thoughts > >
> > > Top >5 requirements for clearing this exam > >
> >========================================= > > - Practice > > 4-5/4-5
> rule >- last 4-5 weeks before exam - > > 4-5 hours a day. each day > >
> Varies >from person to person > > - Time management and discipline > >
> Your job, >your weekends, your social needs > > Your
> playstation, skiing,
> football >:) > > Keep your priorities straight > > - Sound theoretical
> knowledge > > > No ... you can't clear this exam just by
> practicing > >
> OSPF commands >for 1000 hours. You should know > > theory behind the
> protocols. That >will help you > > in filtering out possible solutions
> for a lab question > > > - Browsing/Searching skills on univerCD > >
> Always refer to CD first. > > > - How to read English - CCIE
> has its own
> english. > > Questions are >never like "config this". Read
> between the >
> > lines, but don't try to >dig too deep and try to read > >
> other side of
> the page > > > > What i >used > > =========== > > Books - Jeff Doyle I
> and II, Solie, Halabi, >UniverCD, Cisco docs > > Practice
> workbook - IP
> expert WB 4.0 > > (pros) >1. lab 36 > > 2. good website and
> forum > > 3.
> labs 19-35 difficulty >level is good, but does not cover all
> topics > >
> (cons) 1. Solution >errors > > 2. Repitive stuff in some labs
> > > 3. labs
> 19-35 difficulty >level is good, but does not cover all
> topics > > > > >
> > Disclaimer : >Personal opinion follows :) > > > > 1. Does
> it matter -
> number of >attempts > > ====================================== > > > >
> Her husband >and their 8-year-old son would sprint past her
> in a race to
> >the > > >mountaintop, and Laurel Blair Clark would amble behind,
> absorbing each > >smell > > and sight nature could offer in
> the hikes she
> loved to take. >She knew the > > journey was more important than the
> destination, - Jon >Clark, husband of > > Columbia shuttle astronaut
> Laurel Clark. > > > > > > > My journey took me whole 3 years and 4
> attempts. Earlier, like everyone > >else > > i wanted to race to the
> mountain top. > > But with time i >started enjoying the journey.
> Countless hours of >practice, > > >technology, geek talk,
> ospf-dreams :)
> > > that was so much fun ... no >wonder i feel clueless today
> :) > > > >
> You are a CCIE ... no matter how >many attempts you had ...
> my number is
> > > 12046 and not 12046-4. > > And >there is a reason for it.
> > > - you
> can't clear this exam, just by taking >it again and again.
> 1st >attempt >
> > or 5th attempt - you can clear it >only if are technically
> sound, have
> tons > > of practice, expert search >skills and good speed >
> > - For most
> of us preparing for the lab exam is >not our full time job.
> We > > have
> our primary jobs with its own needs, >emergencies and diving
> catches. > >
> Time management and prioritizing is a >key. > > > > In my
> case i used the
> first 2 attempts to test the waters. >(for a 2-day >lab > > format and
> 1-day lab format) > > If you are just >too worried about CCIE
> lab ghost
> stories, AND if you can > > afford it, >remove the stress and
> anxiety by
> trying it out. My 3rd was >close > > ... >CCIE English killed
> it. > > > >
> 2. Why should I do CCIE > > >======================= > > If
> you are not a
> CCIE does not mean that you >don't know anything. On the > >
> other hand,
> if you are CCIE, that does >not mean that you know everything. > > For
> CCIE lab, you are not supposed >to know everything. You should be able
> >to > > find solutions within the >time constraints. Then why
> do it ? > >
> > > CCIE is quantifiable >achievement - something which you
> can express
> in > > words - where ever >you go. It is something which
> everyone knows
> about. It > > will "Atleast" >help you in getting your foot
> in the door.
> > > > > 3. Are there too many >CCIEs > >
> =========================== > >
> We get lots of "too many ccies" >"market is getting
> saturated" emails. >
> > But i think people who are >worried about it, are those,
> who want to be
> >CCIE > > "only" for money. > > > Money part is controlled by market
> economics of demand and supply. > > >CCIE is about knowledge and
> empowerment it brings. Money is one of them > > > > > For the
> records -
> the topic i hated most on this mailing list - >People > >
> cribbing about
> not getting their CCIE plaque. > > Dude - >people are trying to study
> here. I promise I won't do that :) > > > > >Thanks > >
> Deepesh > > > > >
> >
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