FW: THE END IS NEAR

From: Snow, Tim (timothy.snow@eds.com)
Date: Tue Jul 15 2003 - 20:06:58 GMT-3


Maybe the people with these views are just scared that some of the folks who
haven't yet taken the exam might be better 'network folks' than they are and
want to have a "leg up" so to speak on others.

Reminds of me of the Napolean Syndrome, like the small dog has to have a big
bark so no other dogs mess with it. An inferiority complex, knowing that
they "NEED" this peice of paper to prove to themselves that they know
something.

You know Hitler had an inferiority complex and was trying to make up for the
absent testicle by convincing the German people that they were the master
race. Like Hitler , may I suggest that you are one gigantic, metaphorical
testicle. Do you realize how big you have to make something in order for it
to fill the void of a missing testicle? Pretty damn big, I'd say - like
master race big.

Best of everything to those studying for the CCIE and congrats to the ones
who already have it. I will be along side you on July 30th.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Carswell [mailto:acarswell@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:35 PM
To: gimesh thakkar
Cc: jgraun@comcast.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: THE END IS NEAR

We're rehashing an old discussion here. If we follow this thread to its
previous end, you'll learn that there are lots of folks out there who
want to get their CCIE number and then have Cisco shut down the program
so that they can be the "anointed ones". They're operating under the
false assumption that shutting everybody else out of the program will
let them command exhorbitant salaries like "the good ole days" before
the internet bubble burst.

I have 2 problems with this philosophy:

   1. It is anti-capitalist b/c those who espouse this view want to
      artificially control the number of CCIEs. Instead of letting the
      difficulty of the exam weed people out, these folks want Cisco
      just to close the door of opportunity for others. Sounds like the
      labor unions, doesn't it?
   2. It's a pretty crappy way to treat your peers. It's an "I've got
      mine, so screw everybody else" mentality that poisons the well for
      everybody. If you work with people like this, you probably don't
      like them very much as they, more often than not, are backstabbers
      and information hoarders. Generally, these are people with very
      low character.

Todd

       

gimesh thakkar wrote:

>Hi jgraun.
>
>what you are saying is right upto certain extent but
>think of some intelligent people who has not yet come
>upto CCIE mark, so it's a fair chance for everyone. if
>you know your stuff well no matter howmany ccie's are
>in the market, you will get your value.
>Gimesh (Future CCIE)
>
>
>--- jgraun@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>There are now over 10,000 CCIE's. Hopefully Cisco
>>will stop offering new CCIE
>>numbers and only current CCIE's will be able to take
>>other exams. This way
>>the "CCIE for dummies" schools will no longer be
>>able to ruin the IT field and
>>the market. After all MCSE stands for Must Call
>>Someone Else.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
>
>
>>
>>
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