From: Michael Miller (michael.a.miller@att.net)
Date: Sat May 31 2003 - 09:38:27 GMT-3
Don't forget that some routerheads have problems with word problems, being
awake at 7am & thinking. Not to mention reading or dyslexia on an 8 hour
exam...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Donny MATEO
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 10:49 PM
To: Richard Danu
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject:
Hi Richard,
The problem is there will always be a bad CCIE, a not so good CCIE and a
good CCIE. There will also be a bad experienced Network Engineers, a not so
good experienced network engineer and a damn good experienced network
engineer ( who should pass the CCIE
test in one within 3 - 4 hours).
Several problem that might happened with real experienced people.
1. You could be spending that 10 years wiping off dust from the router
(that's one hell of a network).
2. You are so attached to what your company have, you never get to explore
other thing (like my company use EIGRP, that's all I know).
3. You're deep busy with your work, you don't know what's going on in the
real world. (new tech, new stuff, IPv4 is dead whoaaa ?? stuff like that).
4. You're damn affraid of your user that you stop improvising (believe me
this can happen).
5. You're to dependent on third party service (TACs, vendor bla bla), and
never really good anything but reporting problem and opening case.
Several problem that might happened with the so called Lab rat.
1. You know every bits of thing, but you have not experience it to the
fullest (all those small strange requirement from users).
2. You play with your lab router, that you can turn on and off as you
wish...aint' so in production network, head would roll if you do that, yours
that is.
3. For lab, as long as it works it's fine. Production, it has to works, and
works well for a long time and plus you will have to configure it not only
on 8 routers, say how 'bout 200 routers ? erm...and no downtime please....
kewl heh ?
4. Not everything would work perfectly. There are corrupt data, bugs and
stuff like that, that only happend after you run the feature for several
years..hehe..
5. You never have one of those Dealer come to your desk and start screaming,
yelling, bangging your desk, calling you names and as if that's not enough,
all the sudden your face are well covered with smelly, slimmy goo ? (well,
that part comes naturally
with screaming and yelling).
I think you should've got the idea by now.
So it all boils down to what kind of CCIE would you like to be ?
Regards,
Donny
I also know individuals who have years of experience on their resume and
aren't as competent as you would think.
They basically know how to open a TAC case.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Danu [mailto:rdanu@apex3.com]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:03 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: CCIE Professional
Dear members,
Excuse the overhead - Please reply off-line.
The day I stepped in to the IT arena, I worked with an individual who
was
working for his CCIE (today he is # 5761). I remember him
enthusiastically
talking about a box with 2 Ethernet ports and amazing things it could
do.
(how boring -- I thought!).
Today, I am also working on my CCIE certification. Trapped in the world
of
Microsoft and the never-ending support of our typical (average) users
with
challenges on printing problems among may others, I am faced with one
of
the toughest dilemmas: how can one, who is motivated and gives up
precious
time with family and friends studying internetworking and potentially
benchmark, can find themselves working among professionals such as
yourself,
with literally non-existent experience with production
internetworking/Cisco
gear. I have been watching this list for several months, and while
overwhelming, topics are very interesting...
Truth of the matter is, if an individuals can potentially pass and
attain
their CCIE, while continuously practicing on routers as a "hobby", how
could
they ever find themselves in the job market as internetworking
professionals
in a production environment?
In my opinion, passing a CCIE examination hardly measures up to veterans
who
have worked long hours and solved an array of vast, tough, challenging,
problems on internetworking, for numerous, counting years... I am simply
looking for feedback what some of you have done to move from the bottom,
to
the prestigious network engineers you are, today!
Again, my apologies for the off-topic question.
-- Richard Danu
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