From: Jonathan V Hays (jhays@jtan.com)
Date: Sat May 31 2003 - 11:01:53 GMT-3
Reminds me of a cute saying: There are two kinds of people in this world
- those who put people into two categories, and those who don't. ;-)
Things are just not that black and white, even in the binary world of
computers. Reality is many, many shades of many different colors, so
when you put people or their skills in a few categories you are only
deceiving yourself.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Miller
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Donny MATEO'; 'Richard Danu'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE:
>
>
> Don't forget that some routerheads have problems with word
> problems, being
> awake at 7am & thinking. Not to mention reading or dyslexia
> on an 8 hour
> exam...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Donny MATEO
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 10:49 PM
> To: Richard Danu
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> The problem is there will always be a bad CCIE, a not so good
> CCIE and a
> good CCIE. There will also be a bad experienced Network
> Engineers, a not so
> good experienced network engineer and a damn good experienced network
> engineer ( who should pass the CCIE
> test in one within 3 - 4 hours).
>
> Several problem that might happened with real experienced people.
> 1. You could be spending that 10 years wiping off dust from the router
> (that's one hell of a network).
> 2. You are so attached to what your company have, you never
> get to explore
> other thing (like my company use EIGRP, that's all I know).
> 3. You're deep busy with your work, you don't know what's
> going on in the
> real world. (new tech, new stuff, IPv4 is dead whoaaa ??
> stuff like that).
> 4. You're damn affraid of your user that you stop improvising
> (believe me
> this can happen).
> 5. You're to dependent on third party service (TACs, vendor
> bla bla), and
> never really good anything but reporting problem and opening case.
>
> Several problem that might happened with the so called Lab rat.
> 1. You know every bits of thing, but you have not experience it to the
> fullest (all those small strange requirement from users).
> 2. You play with your lab router, that you can turn on and off as you
> wish...aint' so in production network, head would roll if you
> do that, yours
> that is.
> 3. For lab, as long as it works it's fine. Production, it has
> to works, and
> works well for a long time and plus you will have to
> configure it not only
> on 8 routers, say how 'bout 200 routers ? erm...and no
> downtime please....
> kewl heh ?
> 4. Not everything would work perfectly. There are corrupt
> data, bugs and
> stuff like that, that only happend after you run the feature
> for several
> years..hehe..
> 5. You never have one of those Dealer come to your desk and
> start screaming,
> yelling, bangging your desk, calling you names and as if
> that's not enough,
> all the sudden your face are well covered with smelly, slimmy
> goo ? (well,
> that part comes naturally
> with screaming and yelling).
>
> I think you should've got the idea by now.
> So it all boils down to what kind of CCIE would you like to be ?
>
> Regards,
> Donny
>
>
>
>
>
> I also know individuals who have years of experience on their
> resume and
> aren't as competent as you would think.
>
> They basically know how to open a TAC case.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Danu [mailto:rdanu@apex3.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:03 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: CCIE Professional
>
>
> Dear members,
>
> Excuse the overhead - Please reply off-line.
>
> The day I stepped in to the IT arena, I worked with an individual who
> was
> working for his CCIE (today he is # 5761). I remember him
> enthusiastically
> talking about a box with 2 Ethernet ports and amazing things it could
> do.
> (how boring -- I thought!).
>
> Today, I am also working on my CCIE certification. Trapped in
> the world
> of
> Microsoft and the never-ending support of our typical (average) users
> with
> challenges on printing problems among may others, I am faced with one
> of
> the toughest dilemmas: how can one, who is motivated and gives up
> precious
> time with family and friends studying internetworking and potentially
> benchmark, can find themselves working among professionals such as
> yourself,
> with literally non-existent experience with production
> internetworking/Cisco
> gear. I have been watching this list for several months, and while
> overwhelming, topics are very interesting...
>
> Truth of the matter is, if an individuals can potentially pass and
> attain
> their CCIE, while continuously practicing on routers as a "hobby", how
> could
> they ever find themselves in the job market as internetworking
> professionals
> in a production environment?
>
> In my opinion, passing a CCIE examination hardly measures up
> to veterans
> who
> have worked long hours and solved an array of vast, tough,
> challenging,
> problems on internetworking, for numerous, counting years...
> I am simply
> looking for feedback what some of you have done to move from
> the bottom,
> to
> the prestigious network engineers you are, today!
>
> Again, my apologies for the off-topic question.
> -- Richard Danu
>
>
>
>
>
>
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