From: Yasser Aly (blackyeyes00@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue May 20 2003 - 16:47:14 GMT-3
Hi Leo,
Well congratulations for crossing the otherside of the fence. Should be
a great feeling I guess.
Just a small question, You mentioned that 12.2 will be used starting from
November, can u point out a url from Cisco website confirming this ?
Once again, enjoy the glory and get ready for your next challenge.
Regards,
Yasser
>From: "Leo Seto"
> >Last week I said I would pass my lab on Monday and I did -- #11664,
but not >without a lot of stress and worry. I didn't get a
"Congratulations" email >that people keep talking about, but when I
logged on to the Cisco website it >said I had passed. > >I took the lab
in San Jose yesterday and it was completely different from my >previous
lab attempt. I used maybe the last 30 minutes checking over >everything
and thought I did a decent job of meeting the requirements, but >in the
car on the way to the airport I realized that I had forgotten to do >one
3 point requirement entirely!! Ooops. Max 97 pts -- 17 pt cushion. >Later
throughout the day I kept thinking about a few other requirements and
>how my config didn't meet them. Max 90 pts -- 10 pt cushion (gulp!).
>Luckily, it held. > >My mind wasn't 100% yesterday because of a bad
headache and allergies. (If >you see an Asian guy on an airplane who is
sneezing, don't look at him as if >he has SARS :), it could be he just
took an 8 hour lab exam and didn't sleep >well the night before). > >The
proctor Maurelio (sp?) was professional and courteous. He let us know
>that in the past candidates had done some things which had "broken" the
lab >for everyone (change an IP to someone else's termserver? I'm not
sure what >exactly). > >Basically, what helped me pass was failing. It
made me read the config >guides slowly and thoroughly. If you don't get
it, you MUST lab it up and >see for yourself. One piece of advice I would
offer is to use the 12.1 >guides, not the 12.2. When they change to 12.2
in November then you should >be studying 12.2. It may save you a few
points. The second piece of advice >is never trust someone's solution on
groupstudy or any such places -- lab it >up yourself and "nuke the site
from orbit," it's the only way to be sure. > >I'm wondering who I should
be thanking now. First I thank myself for going >through with this, (har
har). It has been 1 year of off and on studying >while working a bit with
the technologies. Of course the stuff you lab up >is 10x more complicated
than the stuff you implement in the field. Without >sheer will and
determination and $10,000 worth of equipment, I don't think I >could have
done it because my girlfriend, family, or boss sure can't help me >with
things like OSPF authentication. There's a huge disconnect between
>people who do this Cisco stuff and people who don't, or maybe it is just
my >imagination. There were times when I didn't sleep enough and I would
hear >the whirling sound of routers in my head for the whole day. I
finally can >unplug most of it now and sell it on ebay. Being able to
finally sell the >equipment was a huge motivation. > >Lastly, what Donny
says in the email below couldn't be more true. Failing >may be a blow to
one's confidence, but it forces you to be better if you >choose to
continue. I always told myself that when I made it to the "other >side of
the fence" I wouldn't forget about what got me there and also the
>quality intelligent people who haven't crossed it yet. There are some
>people out there who are know this stuff better than half the CCIEs out
>there but might have failed on their last attempt. It happens, since
some >of it is luck and you could get tested on obscure stuff or the lab
could >break because some newbie took your ATM or term server IP address,
or you >could get the proctor from hell, you get the picture. Heck, the
whole DOC >CD situation was confusing. Which one to study? Which one to
use as _the_ >authoritative resource? Will it match the one in the lab,
etc. Bottom >line, if you know the stuff well enough you can pass even
with the +0 >through -5 pts tolerance for the unexpected factors. > >As
for me, it's time to move on to something else, like getting a law
>degree. It probably will prove to be easier than getting a CCIE. (At
least >for me personally) > >Leo Seto > >CCIE #11664 > > > >
-----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > > Behalf Of Donny MATEO > > Sent:
Monday, May 19, 2003 10:16 PM > > To: Roger McNeace > > Cc:
ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: Not a good day > > > > > > While
I agree failing the CCIE exam is sort of a black hole > > of confidence
specially when you have 3-4 hours double > > checking everything. I learn
one thing that is probaly not > > quite obvious. Is that by failing, I
study harder, I learn > > deeper, I read the doc > > words by words, I
learn to read and understand question more > > carefully and I learn to
be a very details and ask the > > proctor to clarify any doubts I have
until there is none or > > its close to 0%. > > It hurts when you failed
an exam, but sometimes it's a good > > thing. When you lost your
confidence you tends to be more > > open to alternative and set aside
your ego (i'm right the > > router and the whole world are wrong
attitude) and that > > enables you to see > > things in different
perspective and learn new thing. > > The point I'm trying to make is
failing the exam has earn me > > great rewards, the ability to understand
question, the > > details work, the asking atitude (instead of well I
think > > this should be like this attitude) and a deeper understanding >
> of the knowledge > > required not only by the lab test by also in real
life. > > Specially since I don't have any opportunity to join any of > >
those bootcamp classes, limited equipment (I dig my own > > pocket which
is not much considering I work in an end user > > company in singapore
and > > under paid!) and time. > > So, don't give in, you still have a
chance if you do it, you > > won't have a chance if you quit. Even
1/1000.000 is still a > > possibility, which is better than 0. > > > >
Donny > > CCIE #11189 > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger McNeace > > > > > > >
> "'Kim, Wol - BLS CTR'" , "'Joe Carr'" > > , > > rk.com> > >
ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > > Sent by: cc: > > > > > > nobody@groupstudy
Subject: RE: > > Not a good day > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > 05/20/2003 01:51 > > > > > > AM > > > > > > Please respond to > >
> > > > Roger McNeace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I feel your pain. I failed a couple a weeks ago. I finished > > the test
with 3 > > hours to spare, but I still failed. I also got low scores in >
> areas where I > > thought I did well. I believe you are right with the
fact that the > > questions need to read very carefully. I may have lost
alot > > of points by not > > accurately interperting the hidden meaning
of the question. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kim, Wol -
BLS CTR [mailto:Kim.Wol@bls.gov] > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:06 PM
> > To: 'Joe Carr'; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: Not a good
day > > > > > > I also failed the lab yesterday in RTP and knew I missed
a > > few questions, > > which made me think I might pass it. But they
gave me scores > > the way below > > I expected even if failed. For
example, on IGP section, most of the > > questions were familiar with me
and had all connectivities > > for all routers > > but got below
50%...Not even close to... I didn't see any trick > > requirements and I
configured without any major problem. It > > could be a > > problem with
myself to interpret the questions but at least > > not that below > >
scores. > > Now I start wondering if I will ever pass this test. I > >
don't know if I > > have to keep going because I know the next
preparation for > > the lab will be > > pretty much same as before. > > I
also found backbone problem after wasting of quite long time. > > Seems
like you have to be very precise to interpret the > > questions to pass >
> the test, but I still don't see why I got that such a low scores..... >
> > > Wol > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Carr
[mailto:Joe.Carr@oati.net] > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:48 AM > > To:
ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Not a good day > > > > > > Well, I
took the lab in RTP yesterday and I got the same test as I had > >
before. In some sections where I got 100% before I answered > > the same
and did > > not get the full points! Also I had asked the proctor about a
> > cretin section > > that was not working properly and he did not help
until I > > asked him for the > > 3rd time and on another section the
second time I asked him > > he gave me a > > different answer. It turned
out that the backbone was messed > > up! What the > > %@#!. I have lost a
little respect for the CCIE > > certification. I guess my > > question is
should I pay the $250 to have them review my > > test? How long does > >
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