From: Mike Williams (ccie2be@swbell.net)
Date: Wed Apr 23 2003 - 19:38:13 GMT-3
Tony,
Although I agree with you (that it seems sometimes people want the quick
way out), sometimes simply having the command-line "answer" can be the
starting point for someone to then go and do research.
A great example was when I was first learning about configuring
frame-relay, I needed to learn how to use the de-list. However, having
never seen nor used that command, I had no idea there was a "de-list"
command nor even what it was called, so when I saw the "answer" it had
the frame-relay de-list command in there and so instead of just trying
to memorize "use frame-relay de-list" I went to the Doc CD learned how
to use it.
Telling someone to rely soley the Doc CD while in learning mode is like
telling someone who doesn't know how to spell a word to go look it up in
the dictionary (which is what my old high-school english teacher always
did). The problem is that no only do you not have a good starting
point, but you can waste a lot of valuable time. I mean, it's awful
hard to lookup commands that you don't know exist, right?
What will be the true test to this person's ability to pass the lab will
be whether or not they now take that information about the num-exp
command and they go and look it up and try to read and learn as much as
they can about it. If they do, they're truly learning and they
shouldn't be faulted for their approach. If they don't, then the fact
that someone gave them the answer won't help them much because it's
obvious they don't want to put out the effort required to pass the lab.
Either way, there's no harm done to any of us in the group by them
asking nor by others answering.
Personally, I think that aside from looking up the usage or perhaps
command options, if you're using the Doc CD to try to "learn" stuff
while in the lab, you're in trouble anyway.
My 2 cents.
Mike W.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tony Schaffran
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:35 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: My frustration - Re: Dial-peer Voice Dialing
This is a perfect example of what I am frustrated with. This person
clearly did not reference, probably his best source for information and
learning, the doc cd. That is your only reference during the lab. You
need to learn how to use it.
People then respond with just the command line answer. (i.e. num-exp 7
7777) What did that really help this person with? Definately not how
to find the answer during the most important time, his lab.
Am I completely off base here? I am sure someone will tell me if I am.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCSS, NNCDS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kikic/EIG" <Peter.Kikic@economicalinsurance.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: Dial-peer Voice Dialing
> I am working on a lab where Router A has a voip dial-peer with a
> destination pattern of 7777. The requirement is that this router
should
> forward and ring the remote voip peer after the local telephone only
dials
> a single 7. Can anyone give me some insight on exactly how this is
done?
> I cannot seem to find a match in the archives.
>
> TIA
>
> PK
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