From: Mike Williams (ccie2be@swbell.net)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2003 - 16:23:23 GMT-3
Darren,
I agree wholeheartedly. I have seen many times questions that a basic
search on Cisco would reveal any info one would need, and it makes you
wonder "Did you even try to find the answer?". Good point.
I normally wouldn't have piped up in such an OT discussion, but when I
read the comment that anyone should be able to figure out any problem
alone or else they're a sad excuse for an engineer, I had to say
something.
Mike W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Olive, Darren [mailto:Darren.Olive@globalcrossing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:00 AM
To: 'Mike Williams'; 'Jim Brown'; jgraun@attbi.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
I agree, but let's not confuse that with those lazy posters who have
obviously raised a question without even attempting to look it up for
themselves. Some people on this list have no interest in doing the hard
work and believe that somewhere there is a shortcut to the CCIE. Maybe
this thread should be called 'STOP ASKING REALLY STUPID QUESTIONS'.
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Williams [mailto:ccie2be@swbell.net]
Sent: 15 April 2003 13:49
To: 'Jim Brown'; jgraun@attbi.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
Jim Brown said:
"I always made the comment what kind of engineer would they be if they
couldn't even figure it out own their own and had to post it to the
list."
This is nonsense. If what you're saying is true, then virtually this
entire list is a list of piss-poor engineers (i.e. people who ask
questions of others because they CAN'T figure it out). I can't tell you
how many times others people, including myself, have come to this list
and posted real world problems, not because "I'm not a good engineer",
but even studying or even passing the lab can't prepare you for
everything. There are sometimes flaws in the IOS or bugs in the
hardware that cause issues that make no sense. And having "a virtual
community of network engineer" (The Groupstudy motto) is a priceless
asset. That doesn't make me or anyone else less of a good engineer. It
makes us smart because we have enough sense to bounce problems off of
others that are also knowledgable.
Mike W.
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