From: Mike Williams (ccie2be@swbell.net)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2003 - 16:29:14 GMT-3
Jim,
Point well taken. I recall reading a post earlier that asserts that for
those of us that haven't attempted the lab, we would be clueless as to
when someone is posting something from the lab or not. So for those to
DO recognize it as something from the lab, the best they could do is NOT
point that out to the list and contact Cisco regarding the offender.
It does make me wonder tho, since Cisco rotates labs (every 30 days,
right?) and because it wouldn't be impossible to "make up" a scenario
that is very similar to what you may see on the lab, how confident must
one be before pointing the finger? Personally, unless I had taken the
lab, and saw an EXACT situation posted, I would give the benefit of the
doubt and assume that the poster of the question was either working
through a purchased/free lab scenario or had even just made it up.
2 cents.
Mike W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brown [mailto:Jim.Brown@caselogic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:40 AM
To: dmadlan@qwest.com; Mike Williams
Cc: jgraun@attbi.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
The point I'm trying to make is the exam is not made of impossible
requirements.
If someone breaks the NDA and gives you a specific quirky requirement
and you can't figure it out on your without posting to the list.... you
are either lazy or a very poor engineer. If you are lazy, they you are
probably also a poor engineer.
A CCIE ISN'T someone who knows everything by any means, but they are a
person who can learn, assimilate information, research, and problem
solve under pressure.
I bet there are very few people who would deny, "If I only had 'X' more
hours I would have passed the lab."
-----Original Message-----
From: MADMAN [mailto:dave@interprise.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:07 AM
To: Mike Williams
Cc: Jim Brown; jgraun@attbi.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
What! Are you saying you don't know everything!!! ;)
Dave, still learning!!!
Mike Williams wrote:
> Jim Brown said:
>
> "I always made the comment what kind of engineer would they be if they
> couldn't even figure it out own their own and had to post it to the
> list."
>
> This is nonsense. If what you're saying is true, then virtually this
> entire list is a list of piss-poor engineers (i.e. people who ask
> questions of others because they CAN'T figure it out). I can't tell
you
> how many times others people, including myself, have come to this list
> and posted real world problems, not because "I'm not a good engineer",
> but even studying or even passing the lab can't prepare you for
> everything. There are sometimes flaws in the IOS or bugs in the
> hardware that cause issues that make no sense. And having "a virtual
> community of network engineer" (The Groupstudy motto) is a priceless
> asset. That doesn't make me or anyone else less of a good engineer.
It
> makes us smart because we have enough sense to bounce problems off of
> others that are also knowledgable.
>
> Mike W.
>
>
-- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton
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