From: Brannen Mehaffey (brannen_mehaffey@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2003 - 14:57:40 GMT-3
Isn't this group supposed to be a technical forum. It has been sounding
like a microsoft newsgroup with all of the fluff being heard on this topic.
Let it die and let us get back to the meat of the matter. Let us continue
with and the main topic...knowledge for the ccie lab. You
know...ccielab@groupstudy.com...
Brannen Mehaffey
MCP,MCSE,MCDBA,CCNA,CCNP,SCSA
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Joseph Rinehart" <jjrinehart@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: "Joseph Rinehart" <jjrinehart@hotmail.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:18:20 -0700
I think the behavior we are seeing (i.e., trying to find easy answers) is
due to would be CCIE's using a distance vector approach to the lab, i.e.,
shortest path, lowest hop count, and so forth. The reality is that the path
to CCIE has a significant cost to it, both in time, money, and personal
effort (almost sounds like an EIGRP composite metric doesn't it). In the
final analysis if you don't understand how the technology works and the
hidden tasks behind any configuration then even if you happen to get easy
answers you will end up with a "destination unreachable" as far as passing
the lab is concerned.
Yes, yes I know I am in a class (or subnet) my myself...I'll be here till
Thursday....lol
Seriously, though while it is important to protect the integrity of the test
and the discussions on this list, also keep in mind that this exam is more
about how to think than it is about how to get easy answers.
Just my 4 cents (two cents with a cost of living adjustment)
Joe :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olive, Darren" <Darren.Olive@globalcrossing.com>
To: "'Mike Williams'" <ccie2be@swbell.net>; "'Jim Brown'"
<Jim.Brown@caselogic.com>; <jgraun@attbi.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
> I agree, but let's not confuse that with those lazy posters who have
> obviously raised a question without even attempting to look it up for
> themselves. Some people on this list have no interest in doing the hard
work
> and believe that somewhere there is a shortcut to the CCIE. Maybe this
> thread should be called 'STOP ASKING REALLY STUPID QUESTIONS'.
>
> Darren
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Williams [mailto:ccie2be@swbell.net]
> Sent: 15 April 2003 13:49
> To: 'Jim Brown'; jgraun@attbi.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
>
> Jim Brown said:
>
> "I always made the comment what kind of engineer would they be if they
> couldn't even figure it out own their own and had to post it to the
> list."
>
> This is nonsense. If what you're saying is true, then virtually this
> entire list is a list of piss-poor engineers (i.e. people who ask
> questions of others because they CAN'T figure it out). I can't tell you
> how many times others people, including myself, have come to this list
> and posted real world problems, not because "I'm not a good engineer",
> but even studying or even passing the lab can't prepare you for
> everything. There are sometimes flaws in the IOS or bugs in the
> hardware that cause issues that make no sense. And having "a virtual
> community of network engineer" (The Groupstudy motto) is a priceless
> asset. That doesn't make me or anyone else less of a good engineer. It
> makes us smart because we have enough sense to bounce problems off of
> others that are also knowledgable.
>
> Mike W.
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