From: Larson, Chris (CLarson@usaid.gov)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2003 - 10:12:58 GMT-3
This goes round and round over and over again. There is no one on this list
who gets to decide if someone is breaking the NDA. Since it is not up to
anyone on this list, posting about someone breaking the NDA seems somewhat
silly as it is not your or my decision. Sure it is clearly obvious
sometimes, but what does posting to the list about it do? Nothing but create
noise and bs. If it bothers you report it to Cisco. The way I interpret the
NDA is that you cannot tell someone you had such and such on your lab, or
this was my topology. But if I ask how to form BGP peers, did I break the
NDA? Clearly BGP is in the lab. So in my opinoin, as long as you do not say
I had this scenario in my lab as a qualifier to a question then you are not
revelaing what was in the lab!!!!
And if that is not true, then the asking of the question about forming BGP
peers would also be a violation. Not to mention how do I put an IP address
on an Interface, or how do I configure a Vlan on the 3550 and practically
all other questions would be a violation. So this is all bs and doesn't
really matter if you like it or not, it will continue and people will ask
questions about the technology they had in their lab. I know I have and I
will continue to do so. If I have a lab scenario that I did not understand,
damn straight I am going to ask about it. I am not going to begin by saying
"Hey, I had this in my lab" but I am going to ask and that is probably just
fine as long as I don't say it was in my lab.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Chang [SMTP:changjoe@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:58 PM
> To: OhioHondo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
>
> I agree with OhioHondo on this. As we are preparing for our tests we are
> also trying to anticipate what we will be asked. Because of that, the
> hypothetical scenarios shared on this list may seem familiar to those of
> us
> who have experienced the test. And of course there may be potential cheats
> here, but given the random nature of the exams, bumming off one or two
> answers "will not a CCIE make".
>
> I think the original poster has some very valid concerns we should all be
> aware of. But please don't get too worked up about this or it will have a
> chilling effect on the very positive participation on this list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "OhioHondo" <ohiohondo@columbus.rr.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:44 PM
> Subject: RE: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
>
>
> > I have no way of knowing if a question I ask is on the test and therfor
> may
> > upset someone. If I ask a question that happens to be on the test, I am
> not
> > violating the NDA. If any of my questions offend someone it is
> > unintententional.
> >
> > I have no way of knowing if I answer a question that happens to be on
> the
> > test. If I answer such a question, should I be chastised??
> >
> > I'm sure that every day people answer and ask questions that are on the
> > test. This is somewhat the purpose of this forum. Hopefully they are not
> the
> > EXACT questions that are on the test.
> >
> > If the obscure stuff that we see once in awhile is the offending
> material,
> I
> > have mixed feelings. Cisco should have enough material to verify
> qualified
> > network engineers without resorting to the obscure, however we all
> should
> > abide by the NDA to which we all agreed.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jay Hennigan
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:25 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
> >
> >
> > syv@911networks.com wrote:
> >
> > > jac> I have seen yet another question from a lab. This forum
> > > jac> is not designed to break the NDA or spoon-fed the
> > > jac> wannabe's.
> > >
> > > 1. What was the question?
> >
> > Answering this would compound the problem. It's been a while since I
> > sat the lab, but when this type of thing occurs it's pretty obvious to
> > someone who has recently taken it.
> >
> > > 2. Why are you ranting about nothing? I have no idea which
> > > question you are talking about, therefore it is not an NDA
> > > violation.
> >
> > You may not, but the person asking knows, and the person who was
> (smartly)
> > vague about publicly identifying the question and the person asking have
> > a very good idea.
> >
> > I have mixed feelings about threads like this one. On the one hand they
> > contribute to off-topic "noise", and depending on the detail may give
> > hints about the specific question that is in violation. On the other
> hand,
> > they give notice that this type of thing is not welcome here.
> >
> > A suggestion for Paul:
> > When this type of thread develops, it puts the existence of this
> list
> > at risk. You're providing a public service and are probably not in
> a
> > position to try to out-lawyer Cisco if it comes to that. Follow up
> > with a posting expressing the policies of the list and of Cisco,
> and
> > a link to their reporting site,
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/cheating_dishonesty
> .h
> > tml
> > with a suggestion that the thread be killed. If you can identify
> the
> > question in violation, quietly remove it from the archives.
> >
> > A suggestion for others who see NDA-violations:
> > Report them via the above link, and privately to the list
> administrator.
> > Discussions about the NDA generate a lot of noise, most of which is
> > of little value to the group.
> >
> > --
> > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
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