From: Niksa Tomulic (ccie@otokrab.net)
Date: Thu Mar 13 2003 - 06:01:33 GMT-3
Last month I've subscribed and subscribed to this list at least 5 time
already, every time I get off I think I might miss something useful,
what could help me in my study.. I've seen really good discussions, I
don't know where else and how would I see them if I wasn't receiving
this e-mails...
But again, when I see discussions like this I just get frustrated again,
what to hell is wrong with you people?
I haven't been to the lab yet, but I think I am ready to give one tip
for the people who prepare for it... Think well how much time you spend
reading information on such a list and similar discussion forums... Last
few days I've spent at least 30/min per day just filtering e-mails from
groupstudy list (not even reading them yet!!!)... In those few hundreds
mails /day I find 2-3 useful ones, with the real technical questions and
answers, the topics what make me think.. The rest is "what is better",
"congratulations XXX you did it, we knew", "how much I can earn with
CCIE" and so on.. There are some people who write up to 10 mails/day,
there are my heroes! When to hell you have time to write all that stuff?
I don't have time even to delete it so fast!
Such a list is great resource, and it can help you. But be aware it will
slow you down, too. Be careful - many people do it on easiest way - they
don't know something and then they simply post a question to the list.
And they get the answer. I guess soon we'll have questions "can we use
groupstudy list in the lab itself? Why not?"
Why don't you STUDY? That means looking for information, understanding
the problem, trying it in the lab.. Then you'll learn it! People are
even so lazy to read archives of the list, where these topics were
covered already 1000 times (but it is understandable - who will search
trough millions of mails....)
The best messages up to now are "Oh my God, what is wrong, I get e-mails
with delay of 30 minutes, someone please help!!!!!!!!" They make me
laugh, and they are at least useful from motivational aspect.
1 hour/day more used for studying instead of reading and writing mails
is a great potentional resource....
People, please THINK before you post something. There are people on this
list who help us a lot. You'll make them go away! They are experienced
ones, they know the stuff, they are here to help us, but also to stay in
contact with trends, new technologies, to refresh their knowledge. I've
recommended 5 CCIE, my colleagues, to subscribe to this list few weeks
ago, and they unsubscribed after 2 days, too much crap to process...
The most valuable resource for preparing CCIE is your time, make use of
it!
Please DO NOT reply to this post on the list! I am really sorry for
spamming everybody, this e-mail is such off those which just takes your
time...
There is no right or wrong here - it is just your decision should you
stay subscribed to such a list or not - I wrote this just to tell you
you're not the only one who thinks "where to hell my 2 hours went today,
and why? I haven't done my frame-relay as I've planned"
Just don't forget this is a valuable resource with a great vision to
help people to learn. Don't use it for your own frustrations like how
many digits you number has/will have. Congratulate someone directly, not
the list! Respect the others who want to learn something, not just get
the stupid number and plague
I hope someone didn't get offended, no reason for that.
niksa
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Schlenger
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:30 AM
To: 'Brian Dennis '; ''Jon Campbell' '
Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
Subject: RE: CCIE is less challenging now
He's right! It's freakin easy! What was I thinking?
Please...go back to studying...we're all here to work on fun,
interesting, tough technical questions. Let's be mature IT professionals
and leave this type of discussion for some other list. This one is good.
It will help you.
Mike Schlenger
CCIE #7079
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