From: Brian Dennis (brian@labforge.com)
Date: Sun Feb 23 2003 - 22:37:09 GMT-3
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/cheating_dishones
ty.html
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial/Security)
brian@labforge.com
http://www.labforge.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jerry
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:21 PM
To: OhioHondo; ray_gan74@hotmail.com; Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
Gentlemen [ and lady or 2 ] ,
This may be a stupid question but here goes. Why
don't
the questions on this list violate the CCIE NDA. I have only taken the
lab
once but I know there are several different real labs
that must be rotated in and out in some fasion. The first time I read
the
list the day after I took my
lab I saw the exact same questions that were on my lab. This would mean
either someone else at RTP
or possiblt another lab had the exact same scenario as I did. This is
what I
wonder. Why isn't the
whole list an NDA violation? Please exaplain at anyone's convenience.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: OhioHondo <ohiohondo@columbus.rr.com>
To: <ray_gan74@hotmail.com>; Sean <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
> I think the FAQ idea is a good one, however..... I also believe there
is
> another issue. Teaching/Instructing is a darn good way to learn -- to
> solidify your thoughts on a subject and express them to another.
>
> Everyone on this forum is in a different place in their CCIE lab
> preparation. For those on the last legs of their study preparation,
these
> "simple", oft answered questions might be an annoyance. To others they
are
a
> learning opportunity both the the one who asks the question and the
one(s)
> who answer it. Seeing others' points of view on a subject, or seeing
where
> our study partners might be mis-directed so we can help or "answering
a
> question" and being corrected by someone who has a better grasp of the
> technology -- these are all valuable.
>
> I agree that some of the questioners should do more research prior to
asking
> their questions. They should not take the easy way out and expect a
total
> explanation of a technology to come from this forum. (Incidentally,
this
> approach probably confuses them rather than help because of the
multitude
of
> answers that are typically given.) But I also believe that anyone
should
be
> allowed to ask any question --- for all of the good reasons mentioned
above.
>
> Note --- It's not the questions that are the majority of the e-mails
that
I
> receive from this forum. It's the multitude of answers, requests for
> clarification on a question, etc. In other words, it's the ones that
are
> trying to help, or the ones that are trying to discuss that are
creating
the
> majority of the e-mails. This is not necessarily a bad thing --
however
> e-mail is not a good media for holding discussions.
>
> Here is another scenario that causes extended strings on a single
string.
I
> have been guilty of causing this one. Sometimes a question is too open
ended
> (not specific enough)and I provide an answer that is not complete or
cover
> all the possibilities -- because I don't take the time to cover all
the
> possibilites on the open ended question. I have to applaud people like
Kym
> Blair who consistantly take the time to first clarify the question and
then
> give a full answer to these queries. (There are others but Kym is a
great
> example.) Giving complete answers cuts down on the entire discussion.
>
> Just one more time --- the majority of the e-mails are answers to
questions.
> Some of the answers are just comraderie, friendly banter, between
ourselves.
> This social aspect of the forum, between all of those 'bleeding'
through
> their CCIE preparation, also has a value.
>
> With the CCO, archives and all the other resources available for study
-- > the CCIE groupstudy has its' place. Adding a FAQ's, that has accurate and > complete explanations, can't be a bad thing. But it is redundant to many > other possible sources of non-interactive information. (Well e-mail, pseudo > interactive) > > Just my 2 cents......... > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of > ray_gan74@hotmail.com > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:53 AM > To: Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab > > > I think its a great idea! That way if there is a question that has been > answered many times before we can just refer them to the FAQ. In addition > we won't see anymore pissed off threads why people always ask the same > question. > > > Ray > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean" <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:05 AM > Subject: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab > > > > Since many on the list think subscribers should search and/or research > more > > instead of asking same basic question repeatedly, I suggest we compile an > > FAQ for CCIE Lab takers. It should be posted to this list frequently, say > > every month or quarter depending on the resource we have. > > > > A few days ago, someone wanted to collect CCIE Lab gotcha, and those study > > points can be good candidate for the FAQ. What do you think? > > > > Sean > > CCIE 90XX
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