From: Aaron Woody (awoody@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Feb 22 2003 - 11:54:35 GMT-3
I think the question about the OSPF 400+ was valid. There is a gray area
around this design and I wanted others opinion who had actually used OSPF in
this situation. This is a group of CCIE's and wannabes right? However, the 1
million replies was the issue. The design questions I had were answered
within first 5 emails, but everyone continue to come up with answer not
relevant to my original criterion. If you actually read the email I sent it
indicated concerns beyond basic OSPF configuration. Also, look at the OSPF
without area 0 thread...his original question was lost very quickly because
everyone wants to come up with genius answers relevant or not. I am not so
bent on asking stupid questions about the lab, I am concerned with operation
of Protocols, etc. that will be in the lab. Most of this stuff can be
answered definitively reading a Doyle book or CCO.
I thought you may need some clarification.
Aaron...the guy who asked the "cluttering-up" design caveat question about
OSPF hub 400+
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Jerry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:57 PM
To: Ouellette, Tim; 'Darvin'; ccielab
Subject: Re: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts
inside?
It seems to me alot of the questions, especially about hardware topologies
that we know are not on the lab should be asked in comp.dcom.sys.cisco -
maybe not everyone on the groupstudy list knows about it. Perfect example is
the thread concerning OSPF hub with 400 +
spoke. This is just cluttering-up the list because it is 99.99 % irrelevant
to the ccie lab experience.
This question should be asked in comp.dcom.sys.com It is a great newsgroup
as it contains more real life scenarios and solutions from many
professionals in industry.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Ouellette, Tim <tim.ouellette@eds.com>
To: 'Darvin' <darvin@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts inside?
> I think you were way out of line saying such things like that.
Furthermore,
> I second Jennifer's post.
>
> Having an inbox with 5 messages of true contect as opposed to messages
with
> people just to lazy to spend the time to look for themselves are two
> different animals.
>
> There are no truly stupid questions. If one spends the time to look things
> up, try them, and just has a tough time understanding something or it
isn't
> working the way they expected then they post. I'm tired of posts such as
"do
> people want to sell me a xxxx series" , or "what does this command do".
>
> Please watch your profanity as this is a professional list and i'm sure
we'd
> all like to keep it this way. (Geoffz, i'm taking after you now *grin*)
>
> Let's all try and really dig deep into problems, configurations and the
like
> and do a little more investigative work prior to posting a question.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darvin [mailto:darvin@blueyonder.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:43 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts
> inside?
>
>
> hi jennifer
> is it that time of the month already
> chill out dear i hear what your saying. my blasted inbox is bloddy full
as
> well, but dont pop a blood vessel about it.
> remember your not the only person doing the ccie lab as well. if u think
> having your inbox full all time as pressure boy u in for shock girl coz
the
> lab goner make u into jelly.
> We all got our issues we just want the simple way out.
> Remember these quotes "Time is of essence" "There not enough days in
week"
> So forgive us if we do ask the odd stupid question once in a while
> where only human after all.
>
> I thought i had to reply to this, coz Jennifer u made all these guys shit
> themselves with that email u sent. The boys to scared to reply
>
> Anyway good luck everyone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Jennifer Bellucci
> Sent: 21 February 2003 21:15
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts inside?
>
>
> Hello Group members and what-have-you
>
> I have been reading some of the mails on the list and have been feeling
> slightly, well pissed off.
> You see people sending mails about what subjects are on the lab, what's
not
> on
> the lab, where can I find this and what's that. That's all fair and good,
> that's why this group exists. What really gets to me is that people don't
> bother reading through the archives or going on CCO to look first.
> 70% of the mails could be avoided by just reading instead of being
spoon-fed
> the information. These people are either mentally impaired in a way that
is
> not detectable by current medical practices or they have no idea what
there
> talking about.
>
> If you really don't know, then send the mail and that's that. I see people
> sending some questions they should be shot for asking. Are these people
> really
> studying for the CCIE or studying at all? I admit, I have sent some crappy
> mails to the list asking something really simple, but then I discovered I
> have
> a brain, and logically a mind. If used properly, you can do amazing things
> like find answers the questions you ask...look for god sake, using your
> brain
> won't kill you. Ok, maybe for some of you, using your brain/mind is like a
> fighting for your life...and you know your always going to lose.
>
> For us un-numbered dreamers, we are working towards something and I mean
> really working making progress and getting better in what we know and what
> we
> want to know.
>
> Asking questions about RIDS and how they effect OSPF / BGP...read the damn
> book or the web site. Don't what's not the lab? Find out by looking - not
> asking. Can't understand something? Try harder, spend some time, drink
lime
> juice or something. Er...what's OSPF? and why was BGP created? how do I
> configure IPSEC and why does this happen?
>
> Maybe I need to relax and think like these people? what and be brain
dead -
> think I know something when I don't even remember my name? I think
sometimes
> I
> am stuck in game with no name. It's a shame really, I think seeing the
> matrix
> made me realise, maybe they were right and the matrix has forgotten to
give
> some people the ability to think that they are thinking for themselves.
> Remember those green letters coming down the screen? Well, for some of
you,
> that was the brain you never had.
>
> Call me what you want, say what you want...and for the few lucky few,
think
> what you want. I don't know everything but I know how to help myself and
> learn, think using my god given brain.
>
> Ok, know you can delete this mail. Blame it on me being on PMT and not
> spending enough time watching MTV.
>
> At the end, I was only thinking...spent way too much time typing this up,
so
> I
> see you when you get there...
>
> Jennifer_bellucci@hotmail.com
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