From: sliu@ttank.com
Date: Sun Dec 08 2002 - 17:16:36 GMT-3
To think that Cisco has to suffer the same level of loss as the reason for
them to compensate a lab candidate's loss out of a disaster out of Cisco's
control is naive.
I totally understand the time, effort and monetary resources it's demanding
to accomplish CCIE, since I myself have gone through the exactly same path
as everyone else. All these things come along with the incredible amount of
knowledge and experiences required to pass make the CCIE certification
incomparably prestigious. No one is forced to take the exam by Cisco, the
candidate himself should make up his own mind with the determination to
success, competence of long and hard work, willingness to sacrifice family
and social life and readiness of financial support. To become a CCIE is a
big deal in your personal career. This is the return you will get
proportionally after all that investment you put in. You think Cisco is
going to benefit as much as you for your getting CCIE status?
Secondly, everyone can see that Cisco, as a commercial entity, runs as a
business as a whole (hopefully they run the CCIE program as
non-profitable). One should not expect it to throw money at you just
because they have a deeper pocket. One hundred dollars is $100 to you, and
it's $100 to them too, no matter how big their bank account balance is.
my own 2 cents...
- Sean Liu
CCIE, CSS-1, AIX-CATE, CNE
CCSE, CCDP, CCNP, MCSE+I
Solutions Architect
Think Tank Systems, LLC
Two questions to answer your question...
1. How long do you think it takes for a giant company like Cisco to make
up for this "loss" you are referring to?
2. How long do you think it takes for John Doe (or Jane Doe) to recover
from his/her loss? We're not even taking into account 2nd / 3rd timers
here.
Face it - most people would hurt a lot losing a few hundred dollars in a
week. What would be an equivalent figure for a multi-billion dollar
company like Cisco? I rest my case.
LoizosCisco
<david_steven2001@ To: Chuck Church <ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>, Larry Letterman
yahoo.com> <lletterm@cisco.com>, Thomas Trygar <trygar@wans.net>
cc: sliu@ttank.com, ANDF@nnpi.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com,
12/08/2002 11:20 nobody@groupstudy.com, troy@onenet.net
AM Subject: Re: RTP CCIE Lab closed due to no power
I will be very surprised if Cisco do not make up for
the expenses for those that travelled there to take
the exam. CISCO is equivalent to PROFESSIONALISM and
if they do not cover at least the travel expenses that
will be some blow to Cisco's image.
Redundancy is all that any network is about. Not
having redundant power supplies available is
unexcusable by the Network Giant. That is why you can
not blame nature for the lose. Not only cisco should
cover the travel expenses but also should give a
discount for next try if candidates that traveled
there fail the test this time.
As for the $1,250 fee to be labeled as 'little' I find
it not true. In order for me to pay that amount twice
I had to cut down other expenses that depleted my
family other necessary things (since I paid my own
expenses). The first try that I failed cause problems
within my family because it felt like I went to a
Casino a gambled and lost.
--- Chuck Church <ccie8776@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Anyone who's paid for the lab out of their own
> pocket (several times for a lot
> of us) wouldn't consider $1250 'little'. With the
> amount of stress one goes
> through preparing and making the trip to take the
> lab, Cisco should be able to
> provide a lab, for something really that amounts to
> a power failure. You can
> bet that if the tables were turned, and Cisco was
> waiting on some ASICs from a
> 3rd party, they be furious if that 3rd party was
> disabled for a week because
> of no power. I'm just hoping that they make it up
> to the people who got their
> labs cancelled. Just my .02...
>
> Chuck Church
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Letterman
> To: Thomas Trygar
> Cc: sliu@ttank.com ; Chuck Church ; ANDF@nnpi.com
> ; ccielab@groupstudy.com ;
> nobody@groupstudy.com ; troy@onenet.net
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 4:19 AM
> Subject: Re: RTP CCIE Lab closed due to no power
>
>
> It cost us a whole lot more to run the building
> all day than the lab makes
> on
> what little they charge for the exam....
>
> Thomas Trygar wrote:
>
> I guess they didn't think of a power generator.
> Withthe amount of money the
> lab brings in it might have bebeneficial to buy one
> for just the lab and a few
> otherrooms on the first door. Tom--- sliu@ttank.com
> wrote:Cisco itself is even
> a bigger victim of thisdisaster of nature, who
> shouldrefund Cisco's loss from
> closing down the lab for aweek?- Sean LiuCCIE,
> CSS-1, AIX-CATE, CNECCSE, CCDP,
> CCNP, MCSE+ISolutions ArchitectThink Tank Systems,
> LLC
> "Chuck Church"
> <ccie8776@rochest To: <ANDF@nnpi.com>,
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>,<troy@onenet.net>
> er.rr.com> cc:
>
>
> Sent by: Subject: Re:
> RTP CCIE Lab closed due to
> no power
> nobody@groupstudy
> .com
> 12/07/2002 09:29
> PM
> Please respond to
> "Chuck Church"
> I think Cisco should refund your money and giveyou a
> free shot at thelab next
> week. You've got to figure betweenairfares, time
> off from work,and hotels,
> this delay has cost you guys plenty. Good luck.Chuck
> ChurchCCIE #8776, MCNE,
> MCSE----- Original Message -----From:
> <ANDF@nnpi.com>To:
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <troy@onenet.net>Sent:
> Saturday, December 07, 2002
> 1:09 PMSubject: RE: RTP CCIE Lab closed due to no
> powerI would request a
> rescheduling if I were you. Mylab was scheduled
> forlastThursday but was
> cancelled due the power failure.Two other
> candidateswereat the door at 7:30AM
> along with me in the midstof the ice-storm
> butnobodyfrom Cisco showed up. At
> around 8:00AM one of theCCIE program peoplecameby
> and told us that the lab was
> cancelled and thatwe would beaccommodatedon Friday.
> Apparently Cisco has
> generators forsome of the otherbuildingsin the
> campus but not the lab
> building. I was atthe door at 7:30AM onFriday but
> the building was still dark.
> I decidedto stay back to make anattempt on Saturday.
> Late Friday, I got a
> phonecall from one of the CCIEprogram administrators
> saying the power may not
> beback till Monday orTuesday. That is when I decided
> to give up andreturn home
> to New Jersey.Ihave asked Cisco to reschedule me for
> anothertime. The RTP area
> was hitpretty bad by all the falling pine trees. I
> wastold that the
> powercompanies were focusing on getting power back
> tothe homes before
> thecommercial establishments.Andy
> Fernandes-----Original Message-----From:
> Troy Rader [mailto:troy@onenet.net]Sent: Friday,
> December 06, 2002 12:02 PMTo:
> ccielab@groupstudy.comSubject: OT: RTP CCIE Lab
> closed due to no powerNot to
> be an alarmist, but I emailed Ciscoyesterday to see
> if the recentstorms
> affected the lab. The reply today is thatthe RTP
> lab is closedbecause it has
> no power. News stories online saymost power is to
> berestored by Sunday, but
> not all until Monday orTuesday. My test isTuesday.
> My flight is Monday.
>
Ugh!....
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