From: Rah Hussain (Rah@network-sol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 2002 - 12:13:36 GMT-3
Thank god it's not rocket science ;-)
-Rah
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@5g.net]
Sent: 29 October 2002 03:25
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: RE: Unique Fuel Cell Feasibility Request
This e-mail is clearly a violation of the NDA. Also Cisco is dropping
the fuel cell feature after Nov 4th anyways. ;-)
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Snyder
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:13 PM
To: 'Steve Cobb'
Cc: eyewdall@gonzaga.edu; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT: RE: Unique Fuel Cell Feasibility Request
Thanks, Dr. Cobb.
I didnt realize that my request would go directly to your college
students. My email would have been in a different form had I had.
Can I ask your students three questions?
1) How much of the worlds oceans come from the Carbon14 cycle? I
cant find a reference to this subject in the material I can access.
Yet we know that the cycle takes neutrons from deep space and then
releases them as hydrogen on earth. And because the carbon14 is always
bound to something, I believe that the space neutron to earth hydrogen
cycle, produces water in our environment. With a net mass gain for
earth.
Possible Subquestion(s)
a) How long has the neutron to hydrogen cycle operated on earth?
b) Has the rate always been constant?
2) Couldnt a normal fuel cell operate from hydrogen released from
Cabon14? Also could you capture the charge released during the change
from C14 to N14?
Possible Subquestion(s)
a) How much charge is released during of the conversion of C14 to
N14?
b) How much hydrogen?
c) Please express the answers in watts per pound per year.
3) Which of following C14 production strategies would product the
most amount of C14 fuel over a hundred year period?
a) Low pressure Nitrogen balloons in the Suns orbit. Assume a 1
mile balloon radius with 4 pounds of pressure. Are some places in near
earth space better than others to capture slow neutrons?
b) High pressure Liquid Nitrogen tanks in the Suns orbit, heat
shielded. Assume 10 tons of Nitrogen.
c) Liquid nitrogen tanks placed in nuclear fission power production
plants. Assume that the thermal shielding will slow the needed
neutrons. Assume safe venting and beneficial thermo properties during
nuclear emergences. An -210.1 0C bath could be a good thing to have as
a last resort in an emergency. Lets assume 10 tons of nitrogen.
d) Military grade fission material stored in a normal pressure total
nitrogen atmosphere. Assume one thousand years with one pound of
fission material, with neutron slowing shielding. Assume safe hydrogen
venting and C14 recovery operations.
These are the questions I wanted to ask a pair of your Physics students.
I truly think I have a unique idea with a Carbon-14 fueled battery
connected to a hydrogen powered fuel cell. I believe C14 could be
produced in the amounts needed, or removed from the yearly yield of
naturally produced C14 in the atmosphere.
After all, the Earth is a neutron attractor because of its mass and we
do have a 78% nitrogen atmosphere.
Heck, let me point out that would couldnt stop C14 production if we
wanted too. Now that time needed may be measured in human life times,
but then, the energy output from such a cell could be in thousands of
years. Imagine a fuel cell that takes two hundred years to collect the
needed fuel for, but then produces 1 kilowatt for two thousand years.
The more we produced, the easier it would be make more fuel. Also we
have tons of military fission material that will be around for the
foreseeable future. We have all the time, and slow neutrons needed for
such a project.
Other points I can think of.
a) C14 is very safe material, easy to shield. Mobile power
production is quite possible.
b) C14 is present in every human. Its hard to protest a nuclear
fuel cell fuel when youre made of some of the fuel.
c) I can imagine a space propulsion drive that uses fission material
to boil liquid nitrogen to drive generators, uses deep space condensers
to cool the nitrogen back to liquid. It also collects the C14 and uses
it to produce hydrogen for the life support systems, and uses any extra
hydrogen at driven at sub C speeds for propulsion. Imagine a 50,000
year trip using such a system. Even a semi closed fission -> C14 -> H
-> fusion loop comes to mind.
d) Man already changes the C14 ratio on earth by using fossil fuels
on a daily basis, the ratio as been dropping for the last 100 years not
counting the nuclear tests in 1950s which raised the ratio. The 1950
tests also prove that large scale C14 production is possible. In the
proposed fuel cells, C14 releases could be avoided by careful shielded
battery design. Remember we only want to collect the charge and the
gas, building a very strong enclosure to house the fuel is quite
acceptable. Human hands never need access the cells once produced.
e) Also note that Mars only has a 3% nitrogen atmosphere and no
visible water on the surface. Wouldnt it be strange that nitrogen
turns out to be the Earths greatest natural resource? It clearly
affects evolution by producing C14 that limits maximum cell life, by
breaking down the needed cell dna, it forces cells to copy dna on a
regular basis. Wouldnt not be funny that if it also produced the some
of the hydrogen needed for the life processes on earth over the last 4
billion years.
Well, thats about it. I may be completely off base with these ideas.
I may also be reinventing the wheel. Their may be ten well know books
in print focusing on similar ideas. If this is so, Im sorry for taking
up your time. Then again, thats the reason I requested the feasibility
study. Nearly all my questions can be worked out using basic college
math to figure out the long term energy yields.
My expertise is in another field, and it will be a few years before I
can attend college again to get my own answers. Thats the reason I
emailed you.
Thanks Again for Your Time,
Michael Snyder
P.S. Please feel free to forward this email to anyone you think would
be interested. I do reserve my rights for commercial processes using my
ideas, but educational and non profit research is very welcomed. BTW,
my price for using my ideas in a commercial field is .001 % of the net
profit. Its been my experience that ideas are cheap; making them work
is the expensive part.
Also I carbon copied this email to some of my friends in order to
document the time and date I composed it.
To the Groupstudy list, Im very sorry for this spam. Talk about way
off topic email. Thought I think Ive seen worst and less worthy spam
posted. Please think of it as a please delete test message.
Paul I wont send anything like this again to the list, I just needed to
document that I composed the above email. If anyone wants to flame me,
please do it directly, off the list. Otherwise please delete this email
and get back to studying. (smile)
msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Cobb [mailto:steve.cobb@murraystate.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:16 AM
To: Michael Snyder
Subject: Re: Unique Fuel Cell Feasibility Request
Mr. Snyder:
Sorry for the delayed response. I had a faculty member bring this
before our advanced thermodynamics students, but no one felt that they
had the background, expertise, or time to tackle another project at this
time. The students are very busy with their assignments and courses, so
there was little interest in taking on additional responsibilities. It
is also out of my area, so I am not much help either. You might try the
ME program at PCC, where there are more mechanical engineering faculty
than we have here.
Best wishes as you pursue your ideas.
Steve Cobb
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