From: Albert Lu (albert_lu@optushome.com.au)
Date: Thu Sep 19 2002 - 08:14:37 GMT-3
Actually from what I was told by a proctor, cisco doesn't really make that
much money from CCIE lab exams. Since they have to pretty much have a mini
24x7 data centre for the lab with raised floors, ups, air conditioning,
power, rent, also salaries for proctors, plus not all labs are always booked
out. I've always thought that cisco would be making a killing with the lab
exams, but having worked in a datacentre in my past life I could imagine how
all those costs could really add up.
Albert Lu
CCIE #8705
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Meyer, J. (Johan)
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:18 PM
To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will limit
this certification.
It brings in a span of money!
That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before when they
could schedule
max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue than
before!!
What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
Johan
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not become a
CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the job
market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also, please do
not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
Thanks.
Happy studying,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> Could you possibly miss the point any more?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> Subject: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it primarily
for
> > the
> > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so much
more
> > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> >
> > You don't need it.
> >
> > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in knowing
that
> > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> >
> > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > Subject: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in my
> area
> > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the money?
> > Hell
> > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority, respect,
> and
> > all
> > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge.
> But
> > a
> > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
jobs.
> > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean wow!
> And
> > to
> > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> CCIE's
> > into
> > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light. It
> > reminds
> > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my
CNE
> > when
> > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
carried
> > cue
> > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > >
> > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> probably
> > be
> > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just
add
> > to
> > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a country
> > would
> > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop
the
> > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet, allow
no
> > more
> > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection process
> > could
> > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the
> > results
> > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> expensive
> > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly
> that
> > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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