From: rich (rich@pixguru.com)
Date: Thu Sep 19 2002 - 08:53:02 GMT-3
Have you seen their lab? The one in San Jose doubles as a storage closet..
It's well organized, but NOT data center like at all..
10 people a day at San Jose
That's $12,500 a day. Not bad for one proctor and their own assets.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Lu" <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>
To: "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'" <JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'"
<ross2k@pclv.com>; "'rich'" <rich@pixguru.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:14 AM
Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> Actually from what I was told by a proctor, cisco doesn't really make that
> much money from CCIE lab exams. Since they have to pretty much have a mini
> 24x7 data centre for the lab with raised floors, ups, air conditioning,
> power, rent, also salaries for proctors, plus not all labs are always
booked
> out. I've always thought that cisco would be making a killing with the lab
> exams, but having worked in a datacentre in my past life I could imagine
how
> all those costs could really add up.
>
> Albert Lu
> CCIE #8705
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Meyer, J. (Johan)
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:18 PM
> To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
>
>
> Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
>
> Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will limit
> this certification.
> It brings in a span of money!
> That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before when they
> could schedule
> max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue than
> before!!
> What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
>
>
> Johan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
> To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
>
>
> I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not become
a
> CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the job
> market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also, please
do
> not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
> Thanks.
>
> Happy studying,
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > Subject: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it primarily
> for
> > > the
> > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so much
> more
> > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > >
> > > You don't need it.
> > >
> > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in knowing
> that
> > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > >
> > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in
my
> > area
> > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the
money?
> > > Hell
> > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority,
respect,
> > and
> > > all
> > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge.
> > But
> > > a
> > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
> jobs.
> > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean
wow!
> > And
> > > to
> > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> > CCIE's
> > > into
> > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light.
It
> > > reminds
> > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my
> CNE
> > > when
> > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
> carried
> > > cue
> > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> > probably
> > > be
> > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just
> add
> > > to
> > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a
country
> > > would
> > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop
> the
> > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet,
allow
> no
> > > more
> > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection
process
> > > could
> > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the
> > > results
> > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> > expensive
> > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly
> > that
> > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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