From: Chuck Church (cchurch@MAGNACOM.com)
Date: Tue Sep 17 2002 - 23:36:02 GMT-3
Rich,
In the last 2 years, we've added maybe 2000 CCIEs. 8000 worldwide
isn't really that many. I think the economy is the main cause. Look at the
tech-heavy NASDAQ:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^IXIC&d=c&t=2y&l=on&z=b&q=l
Once that gets back to where it used to be, the jobs will return. In the
mean time, those with the best looking resumes will get the best jobs.
Employers are picky these days. They want experience. 'Lab rats' will end
up in help-desk jobs. Good luck on your pursuit of the CCIE. It's still
#1!
Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
Sr. Network Engineer
Magnacom Technologies
140 N. Rt. 303
Valley Cottage, NY 10989
845-267-4000
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
rich
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: MS-CCIE
A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in my area
could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the money? Hell
yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority, respect, and
all
that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge. But a
LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer jobs.
Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean wow! And
to
hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+ CCIE's
into
a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light. It
reminds
me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my CNE
when
I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who carried cue
cards around to customers with commands written on them.
I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would probably
be
greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just add to
the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a country would
keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop the
certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet, allow no
more
than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection process could
be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the results
of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet, expensive
neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly that
expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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