From: Peter van Oene (pvo@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Jun 26 2002 - 12:05:10 GMT-3
A lot of folks have been here quite awhile. I myself have been a member
for close to 4 years despite a lessening opinion of the relative merits and
quality of the program. I stay and watch for discussions related to
topics that I have interest in and chime in when the program and the real
world collide and I actually have something of relevance to
contribute. It's also great to hang in and see folks realize their goals
over time after a non trivial amount of effort.
Pete
At 08:41 AM 6/26/2002 -0400, bobdu11@cox.net wrote:
>Dave, why are you on this list if you feel that way ? Just wondering as
>this is a CCIELAB list and if you feel so strongly against the program,
>why are you here ? I know if I didn't like the program I wouldn't be
>plugging through all these E-mails for the heck of it....Bob
> >
> > From: "DAve Diaz" <ddiaz106@hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2002/06/26 Wed AM 06:55:35 EDT
> > To: msnyder@ldd.net, RichardK@knowledgenet.com
> > CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Life to too short. (was RE: My lab experience)
> >
> > ccie means jack today I did an interview of four of them and ended up
> > recommending a non-ccie becasue of his experience and troubleshooting
> skils,
> > sadly ccie does not tell you the level of exp. or T/S skills someone
> has, ,
> > ccie is only a benchmark and ambition for those ready to put oup with
> > cisco's crap and obscure questions,
> >
> > Who needs to configure rip/igrp or ipx these days whn cisco's cd
> practically
> > tells you how, many ,many get by ccie lab and have no idea, sorrry pissed
> > off after seeing such poor technical experince and knowledge from 4 ccie;s
> > what a joke, ccie's are book learner's,
> >
> >
> > >From: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@ldd.net>
> > >Reply-To: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@ldd.net>
> > >To: "'Richard Kleimon'" <RichardK@knowledgenet.com>
> > >CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Subject: Life to too short. (was RE: My lab experience)
> > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:01:58 -0500
> > >
> > >From a message posted by Richard Kleimon.
> > >
> > >"This list is for information and to help people. If you are going to do
> > >that then stay the hell off!"
> > >
> > >Yo Bro, we are a virtual community.
> > >
> > >How could you be on the list for a year and not realize that that you
> > >have to take the good postings with the bad postings?
> > >
> > >In many ways, this study list is like having a thousand people in a one
> > >room school house. I believe even with all those excess broadcasts, we
> > >are doing something that has never been done before, in the history of
> > >the world.
> > >
> > >Think of years of experience that can be drawn from, at any one time.
> > >You think clustering computers is neat? Our community has terraflops on
> > >top of terraflops of some of the best thinkers in our field.
> > >
> > >I don't know the number of active members at any one time, nor the
> > >number of countries of those members, or the number of people who will
> > >read these messages in the future. But I do know we are world wide, and
> > >nearly in realtime.
> > >
> > >When it seems like (to use your words), everyone is chiming in. You are
> > >right. We are chiming in. How could you be part of a community without
> > >people talking about issues that impact our group, and/or some talking
> > >in general. Thought my mailbox might wish otherwise.
> > >
> > >Talking about the limits of the NDA, is something I think is very
> > >normal.
> > >
> > >It's limits are important, and also, hair splitting is required in our
> > >field. The same critical thinking that allows us to understand a
> > >complex OSPF design, also requires asking critical questions of most
> > >things. To explore our limits the same way another community would
> > >explore the hills and valleys around it's home.
> > >
> > >One of the fun things about talking about nda issues, is that you can
> > >break it by talking about it. Reminds me of the FCC rule about the seven
> > >words you can't say on radio. Good circle logic.
> > >
> > >Anyway, in short.
> > >
> > >
> > >Yes, please post messages that are within the scope of study.
> > >
> > >But, also remember that we are human, and also that your great, great,
> > >grand daughter may be reading your posted messages in 2160.
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