From: steven.j.nelson@xxxxxx
Date: Wed Jun 26 2002 - 07:23:32 GMT-3
Paul
Stick with it..
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul [mailto:sixfooter777@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 26 June 2002 11:20
To: Nelson,SJ,Steven,IVNH33 C; ccielab
Subject: Re: My lab experience
Steve
I won't add to your email because I couldn't say it better.
I was frankly amazed at some people's reactions on here regarding NDA when
it is clear that what I said wasn't a violation, especially when I've seen
others previously say pretty much the same thing with no negative replies. I
think the one thing we all want to do is make sure the CCIE is something
worth getting and protecting its integrity and I believe I did that by not
giving away the contents of my particular exam and I wouldn't.
I hope now we can all draw a line under this thread but I really do thank
the majority of people who have been extremely positive and have changed my
mind about carrying on. I hope one day I can offer some motivation to
someone else in my current position... isn't that partly what this group is
all about ???
Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: <steven.j.nelson@bt.com>
To: <jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: My lab experience
> Jay
>
> Well said, but I think the problem of NDA Violation goes far deeper on
this
> forum than someone saying I got 5% on ISDN.
>
> I mean you hear some guys moaning about Pauls post stating in part some of
> his score, not his report but only one part of it. And for this he got
some
> do gooder shouting him down about NDA Violation.
>
> I find it amusing that some people on this forum will spend the time to
pen
> a reply about something as trivial as this when every day there are people
> posting a "how do I do X" that are questions that have been directly
lifted
> from the one day test.
>
> I will not name anyone but one individual who regularly posts seems to
have
> posted every question that was on my last one day lab, and what's worse is
> he has got the answers directly without having to go and learn the
> technologies. This in some part verifies some peoples theory of a paper
> CCIE.
>
> I have also seen a number of other posts with "real" lab questions in,
some
> even with similar addressing schemes. I work with 11 CCIE's 4 of whom are
> recently certified and they have all said at one point or other "Oh I had
> that question on my lab, oh and that one too" all of these questions have
> ben posted to this forum.
>
> With all this in mind I have never heard anyone moaning about these types
of
> post being NDA, now I realise that all CCIE's can't know what has been
> recently asked on the test but I am sure (if you have taken test recently)
> that you have seen these posts too.
>
> So come on guys, give Paul a break. If you want to moan about NDA have a
go
> at someone who really is breaking this agreement by posting real lab
> questions to the group.
>
> Just my 2 penneth.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Hennigan [mailto:jay@west.net]
> Sent: 26 June 2002 02:04
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: My lab experience
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Michael Snyder wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'll take the other side of this, thought I don't care either way.
> >
> > It's 'your' score report.
>
> And your observations and experiences in the lab are 'your' observations
> and experiences, but you have a moral, ethical, and legal obligation not
> to disclose them.
>
> > It's this like the IRS telling you not to share your tax return?
>
> Does the IRS tell you not to share your tax return?
>
> More like agreeing not to disclose details of a legal transaction or
> contract negotation and then doing so.
>
> > Going the other direction, isn't the fact you passed a function of your
> > score. Therefore every time you post your number, aren't you are
> > reporting you had a high score?
>
> When you pass, you get a different document that has your number.
>
> > But if that part of the report is ok to share, well? And the other
> > parts? Which ones?
>
> It's not part of the score report.
>
> Come on, folks. This isn't rocket science. The rules are far easier
> than the rules for split horizon on frame-relay. If they tell you not
> to disclose any part of something, then don't disclose it.
>
> --
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