From: DAve Diaz (ddiaz106@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Jun 26 2002 - 07:51:04 GMT-3
without the candidates and I have heard there are 10,000 or more on this
list they cannot ban all of us for talking about a TEST THAT IS SO
MISINFORMED , differetn grading, poor results via enmail AND cisco are
making a packet of money, we desever better communication, we should ban
together and write letters to cisco management, not the folks that directly
manage it but higher than maybe we can all be inforned and not be concoius
and so scared of nda , I have not take the test so I have not signed the
nda,
Why don't we send a list of questions to ccie and request a formal resopnse
and post them on this site as faq, www.cisco.com/ccie is a joke, then we
don;t have to be so concerned about their damn nda, cisco is so dumb man,
>From: steven.j.nelson@bt.com
>Reply-To: steven.j.nelson@bt.com
>To: Robert.McCallum@let-it-be-thus.com, jay@west.net,
>ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: My lab experience
>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:00:49 +0100
>
>What question ?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: McCallum, Robert [mailto:Robert.McCallum@let-it-be-thus.com]
>Sent: 26 June 2002 09:53
>To: Nelson,SJ,Steven,IVNH33 C; jay@west.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: My lab experience
>
>
>I am sure someone did try to point out that this was an NDA violation but
>in
>doing so violated the NDA by disclosing to evryone on this list that that
>question was in the lab.
>
>Double edged sword springs to mind.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: steven.j.nelson@bt.com [mailto:steven.j.nelson@bt.com]
>Sent: 26 June 2002 08:51
>To: jay@west.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: My lab experience
>
>
>Jay
>
>Well said, but I think the problem of NDA Violation goes far deeper on this
>forum than someone saying I got 5% on ISDN.
>
>I mean you hear some guys moaning about Pauls post stating in part some of
>his score, not his report but only one part of it. And for this he got some
>do gooder shouting him down about NDA Violation.
>
>I find it amusing that some people on this forum will spend the time to pen
>a reply about something as trivial as this when every day there are people
>posting a "how do I do X" that are questions that have been directly lifted
>from the one day test.
>
>I will not name anyone but one individual who regularly posts seems to have
>posted every question that was on my last one day lab, and what's worse is
>he has got the answers directly without having to go and learn the
>technologies. This in some part verifies some peoples theory of a paper
>CCIE.
>
>I have also seen a number of other posts with "real" lab questions in, some
>even with similar addressing schemes. I work with 11 CCIE's 4 of whom are
>recently certified and they have all said at one point or other "Oh I had
>that question on my lab, oh and that one too" all of these questions have
>ben posted to this forum.
>
>With all this in mind I have never heard anyone moaning about these types
>of
>post being NDA, now I realise that all CCIE's can't know what has been
>recently asked on the test but I am sure (if you have taken test recently)
>that you have seen these posts too.
>
>So come on guys, give Paul a break. If you want to moan about NDA have a go
>at someone who really is breaking this agreement by posting real lab
>questions to the group.
>
>Just my 2 penneth.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jay Hennigan [mailto:jay@west.net]
>Sent: 26 June 2002 02:04
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: My lab experience
>
>
>On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Michael Snyder wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'll take the other side of this, thought I don't care either way.
> >
> > It's 'your' score report.
>
>And your observations and experiences in the lab are 'your' observations
>and experiences, but you have a moral, ethical, and legal obligation not
>to disclose them.
>
> > It's this like the IRS telling you not to share your tax return?
>
>Does the IRS tell you not to share your tax return?
>
>More like agreeing not to disclose details of a legal transaction or
>contract negotation and then doing so.
>
> > Going the other direction, isn't the fact you passed a function of your
> > score. Therefore every time you post your number, aren't you are
> > reporting you had a high score?
>
>When you pass, you get a different document that has your number.
>
> > But if that part of the report is ok to share, well? And the other
> > parts? Which ones?
>
>It's not part of the score report.
>
>Come on, folks. This isn't rocket science. The rules are far easier
>than the rules for split horizon on frame-relay. If they tell you not
>to disclose any part of something, then don't disclose it.
>
>--
>Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
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