From: Johnny Tsao (johnnyt@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jun 20 2002 - 02:44:41 GMT-3
Jake, use it towards your advantage... you're ahead of other potential
ccie's...
this might give you some motivation....
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/ccie_program/spotlight.html
Johnny Tsao, CCIE#8759
Network Catalyst, Inc.
Network Operations Center
www.netcat.com
877-638-2287
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Jake
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:51 PM
To: Treptow, Georg; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: PAPER CCIE - Cisco Monitors Please READ THIS
Well, I guess "paper CCIE" is coming soon. Just like "paper MCSE" became
rampant after I
earned it by studying my butt off (in addition to a couple years of
experience, of
course).
I swear, why the hell can't they make an effort to keep it secure. I
mean, come on!
How much would it cost per candidate to check some documents, take a picture
and
thumbprint and put it all on a card with a hologram and microprint. $20
dollars per
candidate (on the first attempt only)?? $40 maybe even $100. I would be
happy to pay even
double if they ensured complete security. What's stopping Joe Q. Sixpack
from paying Mr
CCIE #12345 $10,000 to go pass the test for him. Shit, that's cheaper than
most CCIE
schools cost. I would never do it, but I'm willing to be 50% of the people
out there
would!!! Just look at the emails you guys are getting. And I'm willing to
bet
internationally it's even worse! There's places where the CCIE is worth more
than an
American passport. You figure it out.
Sh*t, Microsoft does a better job securing the MCP and that only costs $120.
Although I haven't yet met an incompetent CCIE, (and I have met people with
years of
experience who don't know jack) I'm still beginning to worry. No wonder the
cert hasn't
helped my career to date. I really hope someone at Cisco reads this and has
an epiphany.
Otherwise, they'll have to make the test so damn hard to keep it valuable
that the only
people passing it will be the proctors. Why can't they learn anything from
Mirosoft's
failure?
Sorry 'bout the tone guys... this stuff pushes my buttons.
J
Pissed-Off CCIE
--- "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com> wrote:
> They actually looked at your license? I never had to do that in San Jose a
> week ago. I just strolled in and told them that I am who I am. Good enough
> for them - no questions asked.
>
> Georg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jake [mailto:jakeczyz@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:57 PM
> To: Rahmlow, Howard F.; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Odd Emails
>
>
> Hmmm....
> Too bad you can't prosecute people for "intent to cheat" like you can
> prosecute for
> "intent to kill." Otherwise, I would hope for $27 MM a year, Cisco would
> spend some money
> ensuring the security of the exam by having that Thailand ISP investigate
> the IP
> addresses sourcing those emails and prosecute the sneakernets off those
> people. Also, for
> those that have taken the test, did you feel the identity check was solid?
> I'm a balding
> and unshaven twenty-something year old and I have a harder time buying
> cigarettes than I
> did "identifying myself" for the lab exam. For that kind of cash, you'd
> think they'd take
> people's fingerprints or Iris scan or DNA or at least a damn picture...
and
> not just have
> some receptionist glance at an out-of-state license.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jake
> Underpaid CCIE #9102
>
> sh me th $
>
>
> --- "Rahmlow, Howard F." <Howard.Rahmlow@unisys.com> wrote:
> > Anyone else on the list getting weird e-mail's like the ones below. I
got
> > these 2 today. They were both sent to me not to the list.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saiyan [saiyan191@yahoo.com]
> > Can you give an idea how you pass CCIE lab? Such as books, tools and
which
> > lab
> > are you getting?
> > (I saw your email in groupstudy)
> >
> > Somchai [loso14@yahoo.com]
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to upgrade my cisco routers. But don't have new release of the
IOS.
> > Can
> > I just get your cco's logon for a while? I'm use it for my ccie exam.
> >
> > Thanks you,
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