From: Todd Carswell (acarswell@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Jun 08 2002 - 10:55:02 GMT-3
You guys are funny with all the fancy words and telling people to go
look them up. You gotta make sure the simpler words are spelled
correctly, though, or it will not have the desired effect. :-)
By way of an example, let me ask this: What is an "equipment
manufacture"? Don't you mean manufacturer? Also, where did the term
"happend" come from? Should that not have been spelled "happened"?
You guys sound like the sort who'll sit in a class and ask questions for
which you already know the answers. It's sorta aggravating.
I know I'm not minding my own business here. I just wanted to poke fun
at you. :-)
Todd Carswell
Michael Snyder wrote:
>Thanks, Jake
>
>I also hope to get my number like you already have.
>
>BTW, weltanschauung is a perfect example of a meme. Good thinking.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jake [mailto:jakeczyz@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:55 PM
>To: Michael Snyder
>Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: Breaking NDA??
>
>Michael,
> Thanks for your comments. I agree that in this milieu we are likely
>to encounter some
>of the same material as on the exam. When it is a coincidence, that's
>fine. I guess my
>point was that it's a little audacious of people to ask things which
>were on the test,
>when prudence would dictate just looking it up. The topics I'm speaking
>of aren't VLSM to
>FLSM, which is a more involved and core topic, but simple 2-4 lines of
>code which are
>very specific and unusual and which my hundreds of hours of lab
>preparation and tons of
>reading never touched. By posting the exact question online, they give
>everyone those
>points and bring the value of the cert down. Plus, don't they realize
>that with umpteen
>formats, and Cisco keeping track of which ones people tried, they'll
>never get the
>question again? Ohh well... I guess we can spit at 'em from the high
>road. ;-) Perhaps
>because I already passed, I have a different weltanschauung. (You can
>look this one up,
>buddy) ;-)
>
>rgds,
>Jake
>
>--- Michael Snyder <msnyder@ldd.net> wrote:
>
>>This comes up every three months. Let me be brief.
>>
>>
>>Of course, knowledge leaks from the lab into this list. Also
>>
>knowledge
>
>>from this list leaks into the test. I believe you would be hard
>>
>pressed
>
>>to document the chicken and egg relationship.
>>
>>Lets review some definitions.
>>
>>We are a virtual community focusing in a scope of study of the
>>
>knowledge
>
>>needed to pass the CCIE test.
>>
>>The CCIE test is a test from a equipment manufacture who needs people
>>who know how to install their complex equipment in order to stay in
>>business.
>>
>>That by itself is pretty clear cut. Let muddy the waters a bit.
>>
>>There's some very smart people (some of them on this list) who are
>>working independently to create complex scenario's designed to mimic
>>
>the
>
>>lab test. Another chicken and egg relationship. And don't forget the
>>1000 monkeys working 50 million years to write Shakespeare. I bet
>>there's some CCNA's who have lab'ed XYZ two years before it showed up
>>
>on
>
>>the lab, and never knew it.
>>
>>Surely the test writers wouldn't consider using new and interesting
>>memes from such a public forum. (If you don't know what a meme is,
>>
>you
>
>>might want to look it up.)
>>
>>Long story short, I'm not planning to break the NDA, nor do I indorse
>>any else breaking it. I've worked too hard to learn this knowledge,
>>
>and
>
>>don't want to make it any easier on the people who come after me. It
>>would only devalue my work.
>>
>>That said, if you have a CCIE level question about how to do XYZ,
>>
>where
>
>>else would you ask it? Not in the 3com list. This is the place for
>>
>such
>
>>questions. Remember our scope of study is anything that COULD be on
>>
>the
>
>>test. Just like the scope of the test, is anything that COULD be done
>>with Cisco equipment.
>>
>>
>>Of course you could open a TAC case for every XYZ that you know is on
>>the test. Answers from Cisco could never be considered as breaking an
>>NDA.
>>
>
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