From: Joseph Hao (jthao1@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat May 04 2002 - 07:26:18 GMT-3
Funny that you mentioned that CCIE is not PhD.
I have a friend who is doing his dissertation for his PhD in Electrical
Engineering, majoring in Plasma deposition processes. I showed him the
amount of books and manuals I had to study for CCIE, and the number of hours
I had to practice; and he said that they were more than the number of books
he had to study for his PhD for all the 4 years he's been taking his PhD
courses.
IMHO, in certain respects, and certainly in the amount of information you
have to assimilate, a CCIE is as much a challenge as a PhD. Someone once
said that the CCIE was the PhD for networking.
I can tell you from my personal experience that I've never studied more, or
studied more intensely as I have for this CCIE. My M.S. years were cakewalk
compared to the intensity and dedication I had to put in for the CCIE. What
makes the CCIE very difficult is that you have to know, and not forget, a
ton of information. In many respects, you have to retain more info than if
you were taking one of your PhD tests. And the CCIE lab tests is less
forgiving than a PhD test. In your PhD test, if you missed a question, you
will probably still be given partial credit. In the CCIE lab exam, if you
miss a minor point, you don't get the points for the entire section. A few
minor points missed here and there and you would have failed, while you
would have passed your PhD test having missed the same few minor points.
So, I agree with you, a CCIE is not PhD - In many respects, It's more
difficult. A solid foundation and dedication is the key, not luck.
Joseph Hao
CCIE #9273
----- Original Message -----
From: "Spio Wagus" <jmenz24@speakeasy.org>
To: <steven.j.nelson@bt.com>; <Jasonw@logic.bm>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
<jobs@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zero to CCIE#9273 in 12 months
> don't forget the guy has an MS in Computer Science and a BS in Electrical
> Engineering and 15 years in IT, so this is not somebody who doesn't know
> what an IP Address is, solid foundation, dedication and luck can see you
> through this. CCIE is not a PhD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> steven.j.nelson@bt.com
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: Jasonw@logic.bm; ccielab@groupstudy.com; jobs@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Zero to CCIE#9273 in 12 months
>
>
> hehehehe here we go again, Rob ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Whelan [mailto:Jasonw@logic.bm]
> Sent: 03 May 2002 20:23
> To: ccielab; jobs
> Subject: RE: Zero to CCIE#9273 in 12 months
>
>
> Oh no, just when it died down.....
>
>
> Jason Whelan
> CCIE #8808
> Network Ops
> Logic Communications
> www.logic.bm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Hao [mailto:jthao1@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; jobs@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Zero to CCIE#9273 in 12 months
>
>
> I want to thank everybody for their help. This list has been invaluable
to
> me in getting these numbers. Thanks everyone....
>
> It took me less than 12 months from CCNA to CCIE. Since I have an MS in
> Computer Science and a BS in Electrical Engineering, the theoritical
> concepts have already been engrained in me. 15 years in the IT and
> networking industry also helped a lot. These allowed me to get my CCIE in
> what I think is a relatively short time. My next goal is CCIE Security in
> 4 - 6 months. Once again, I will rely on good thoughtful answers from
this
> list. Thanks everyone.
>
> Now, off to better opportunities. If anyone knows of any good CCIE
> opportunities, I would appreciate them sending it my way. I am willing to
> relocate to any city if the opportunity is worth it. Otherwise, I prefer
> Atlanta, Nashville, or Memphis opportunities. I have no salary
requirements
> except that it be industry standard.
>
>
> Thanks
> Joseph Hao
> jthao1@hotmail.com
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