From: Ludwig A. Morales (morales_l@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 08:59:49 GMT-3
listen, unlike the rest of the people here I couldn't care less that you
find my comment useful or not, trashing people is usually a way to make you
feel better about yourself. I read your Designing Routing and switching
architecture a few days ago, didn't find it that useful, and you didn't see
me here trashing your book right? because that was just my point of view.
My good old daddy use to say:
There's not much greatness in holding honors, greatness comes from deserving
them"
And those with CCIE (either hi or low numbers deserve to be CCIE, maybe
except for those that found their number in a corn flake box, anyone?)
Sure JEFF (so you now him!!, great can you get me an autograph :P ) was not
the first one to write about the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number space, now
when someone ask me from who did I learn about that, his getting the credit
because that's the book I've read, my comment was simply to demonstrate that
many "experience" networkers don't event open a book, "heckk what do need
a book for or a cert as well I've been troubleshooting for X year" (yeahh
stupid but maybe you've been doing it the wrong way).
A Final comment, I would relay more on a rookie doctor that just graduated
from medical school that from someone that just have "experience" in a
surgery room and haven't been properly trained.
PS. Once again experience has great weight (of course I put my 6 years in my
resume, though I've only been working with Cisco for 2 years, do my 6 years
of experience means more to someone than Munib 2 Years with a CCIE, I don't
think so) I just see it wrong to take credit from the guys that recently
pass the exam, what do you feel threaten!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
> At 9:14 PM -0400 4/30/02, Ludwig Morales wrote:
> >Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im this mailing list's
history
> >without using "NDA" .
> >I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
> >
> >First of all the fact that he took less time than you could provee that
the
> >exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and more inteligent than
> >you, that depends on your perspective and the choise that less ofends
you.
> >
> >Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be wrong but i think you are
> >comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this story before but well
what
> >the heck..
>
> Be careful about comparing anything to apples or you may irritate
> Priscilla. :-)
>
> >.
> >
> >in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor conducted an small
survey
> >to measure the level of all atendees by making a list of the tecnologies
he
> >was about to explain by drawing two columns on a sheet, one was your
> >teorical experience and one was your practical experience regardig each
> >technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's atention when he saw
> >that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more practical experience
than
> >theory, when he asked how come his answer was that he was able to
configure
> >and troubleshoot up to a point but for him sometimes the router was like
the
> >black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell was inside of it.
when
> >the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply did it and did not
> >understand what was the purpose (this dude has been working with Cisco
for 4
> >years) so you see, CUIE does give you something, the knowledge of how
each
> >thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of experience but with
> >never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how igrp calculate it's
> >metric (remember the k values?) or the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number
space.
>
> :-) But how did JEFF learn it? (Actually, I asked him, and he got
> some informationr released, by Dino Farinacci IIRC). The lollipop
> sequence came from Radia Perlman (I was the reviewer of Jeff's OSPF
> chapter), and I believe she and/or the standard is credited. The
> best writeup of the lollipop is in her Interconnections book --
> better, I think, than John Moy's.
>
> >.
> >
> >Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let a coment like this
> >disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong that's just his point of
view
> >and you should not be worried about it (unless Robert is your boss,
jejejje)
> >
> >good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those who have achive their
goal
> >that helps us all aswell.
> >
> >OH and one last question, do you wake up in the morning and have all the
> >kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you get this kwoledge?
> >Uhhhhh trough experience?
>
> Take a look at a picture of Scott Bradner sometime; he has a slight
> resemblance to Santa Claus. Vint Cerf is no spring chicken. They
> still study.
>
> >
> >PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God i'll be a CCIE that
have
> >been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years)
>
> let's see...I first started programming in 1966 or 7 (it blurs) and
> actually put together my 1st network in 1970. Hmmm...this week, I've
> learned some things about the application of control theory to
> routing protocols, about measurement timing issues in OSPF
> performance measurement, in some legal requirements for crypto in
> medical networks, and have been Perl programming since last week!
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