From: Howard C. Berkowitz (hcb@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 03:21:15 GMT-3
At 9:14 PM -0400 4/30/02, Ludwig Morales wrote:
>Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im this mailing list's history
>without using "NDA" .
>I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
>
>First of all the fact that he took less time than you could provee that the
>exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and more inteligent than
>you, that depends on your perspective and the choise that less ofends you.
>
>Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be wrong but i think you are
>comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this story before but well what
>the heck..
Be careful about comparing anything to apples or you may irritate
Priscilla. :-)
>.
>
>in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor conducted an small survey
>to measure the level of all atendees by making a list of the tecnologies he
>was about to explain by drawing two columns on a sheet, one was your
>teorical experience and one was your practical experience regardig each
>technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's atention when he saw
>that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more practical experience than
>theory, when he asked how come his answer was that he was able to configure
>and troubleshoot up to a point but for him sometimes the router was like the
>black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell was inside of it. when
>the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply did it and did not
>understand what was the purpose (this dude has been working with Cisco for 4
>years) so you see, CUIE does give you something, the knowledge of how each
>thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of experience but with
>never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how igrp calculate it's
>metric (remember the k values?) or the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number space.
:-) But how did JEFF learn it? (Actually, I asked him, and he got
some informationr released, by Dino Farinacci IIRC). The lollipop
sequence came from Radia Perlman (I was the reviewer of Jeff's OSPF
chapter), and I believe she and/or the standard is credited. The
best writeup of the lollipop is in her Interconnections book --
better, I think, than John Moy's.
>.
>
>Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let a coment like this
>disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong that's just his point of view
>and you should not be worried about it (unless Robert is your boss, jejejje)
>
>good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those who have achive their goal
>that helps us all aswell.
>
>OH and one last question, do you wake up in the morning and have all the
>kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you get this kwoledge?
>Uhhhhh trough experience?
Take a look at a picture of Scott Bradner sometime; he has a slight
resemblance to Santa Claus. Vint Cerf is no spring chicken. They
still study.
>
>PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God i'll be a CCIE that have
>been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years)
let's see...I first started programming in 1966 or 7 (it blurs) and
actually put together my 1st network in 1970. Hmmm...this week, I've
learned some things about the application of control theory to
routing protocols, about measurement timing issues in OSPF
performance measurement, in some legal requirements for crypto in
medical networks, and have been Perl programming since last week!
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