From: Mas Kato (loomis_towcar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 03:17:42 GMT-3
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<<so thats around 2000 a year compared to 6000 in 7 years>>
Wow, that _is_ amazing. The pass rate has gone up 2.5 times, while the number o
f Internet hosts went from about 10,000,000 to over 110,000,000 over that same
period. Sure, it's only one indicator, but by any measure, there was explosive
industry-related growth as we closed out the last millenium.
Don't you think there is a wee bit more interest in what we do now than there w
as seven years ago?
Regards,
Mas Kato
https://ecardfile.com/id/mkato
> "DAve Diaz" <ddiaz106@hotmail.com> kris.keen@aon.com.au, sinclairj@powertel.c
om.auCc: ccielab@groupstudy.com, nobody@groupstudy.com
> O/T ccie 9240 threadDate: Wed, 01 May 2002 00:32:25 +0000
>Reply-To: "DAve Diaz" <ddiaz106@hotmail.com>
>
>I too support my incredible level of disbelief at this turn of events within
>the CCIE program, with simple math, consider for example that the highest
>approximate number used in the CCIE Program was number 6800 in February 2001
>then consider that six months later the highest number known was
>approximately 8000 in August 2001. That is 1200 CCIEs, minus 200 just in
>case my observations are wrong, Cisco would not comment on the actual
>numbers in use nor the pass rate, beleievd to fluctuate from the inae 0 5 in
>October 2001 to who knows what today, but this still leaves 1000 or about
>200 new CCIEs per month during this period. At this rate of growth coupled
>with the new one-day practical lab can CCIE #10,000 be far behind. I predict
>that in 2002 we will see CCIE #10,000 be awarded, last count was 9240,
>compared to the last number we estimated in Oct 2001, which was around 8200,
>so thats around 2000 a year compared to 6000 in 7 years, do the maths, cisco
>want more ccie's, period, in the two day format it was almost impossible to
>pass, in todays format its very doable with some hard work, cisco even
>release ccie practical studies guides to help, . So why is this happening at
>Cisco? Well do the words new CCIE program management put some reasons into
>your mind? I also see a couple of reasons. The Cisco coupled their
>certification program (overall) with financial incentives (via resellers)
>and tied discount levels to having lots of Cisco certified people on staff
>this has resulted in enormous back pressure from Cisco Resellers to Cisco
>with these resellers saying your certifications are so hard, you are
>costing us business, and so forth Cisco listened as these folks account for
>a lot of the Cisco success and profits. So the new CCIE Program management
>has given in, gone over to the dark side, been assimilated call it what you
>will but the inherent value of Cisco Certification can easily be seen as in
>jeopardy (i.e. possibly on the decline) as a direct result of these actions.
>As an enduring fan of Cisco Systems, I hope that their proposed changes to
>the CCIE track will in no way minimize the hard work of the men and women
>who have sacrificed time and money in the pursuit of the CCIE certification.
>Some of the smartest people I know are CCIEs all but not all of them are!
>No doubt the people making these decisions are not by far the brightest
>folks in the IT certification industry as we have seen. Regardless of what
>happens, I tip my hat to anyone who seeks to better their career (and the
>people on this alias) path through the attainment of an industry
>certification be it Juniper, Microsoft or Cisco. The effort required to
>prepare for and pass these exams is considerable and we would all hate to
>see that legacy diminished in any way.
>The role that certification is going to play in our industry is clearly
>entrenched and will not go away. The current Juniper certification program
>is brand new and just beginning to evolve. I mention all of the above
>opinion so that people who are concerned with their fate and careers can
>advise Juniper , cisco, Microsoft the direction they want to see the
>program evolve. Lets look at the current state of CCIE,
>
>1. $1250 US a day (2 day same price)
>2. No Feedback or little
>3. Notification via email no personal touch,
>4. If you want a re-grade $250 but no additional feedback
>5. Closing labs around the place
>6. What s next
>
>
>Clearly Cisco management (share price $14.00) in particular are making
>decisions under pressure and clearly it has affected their judgement, lets
>just pass the damn exam and move on, there is sure to be something better
>soon, juniper, lucent , microsoft who knows
>
>Dave
>
>
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