From: Ludwig Morales (lud.morales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Apr 30 2002 - 22:14:11 GMT-3
Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im this mailing list's history
without using "NDA" .
I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
First of all the fact that he took less time than you could provee that the
exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and more inteligent than
you, that depends on your perspective and the choise that less ofends you.
Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be wrong but i think you are
comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this story before but well what
the heck...
in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor conducted an small survey
to measure the level of all atendees by making a list of the tecnologies he
was about to explain by drawing two columns on a sheet, one was your
teorical experience and one was your practical experience regardig each
technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's atention when he saw
that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more practical experience than
theory, when he asked how come his answer was that he was able to configure
and troubleshoot up to a point but for him sometimes the router was like the
black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell was inside of it. when
the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply did it and did not
understand what was the purpose (this dude has been working with Cisco for 4
years) so you see, CUIE does give you something, the knowledge of how each
thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of experience but with
never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how igrp calculate it's
metric (remember the k values?) or the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number space.
.
So you see my friends, passing time could be just as a lame excuse as a
recent certification, my believe is that in this moment a CUIE holder
should be more valued because of his commitment, his discipline and his
ability to adapt to a new enviroment. and the fact that someone has been for
5 years in the industry does not automatically qualifies him as more
knowledgeable that someone with 4, hell for what some of you are sayin it
looks like is worse to have two years of experience and a CCIE (and be calle
a lab rat) that to have two without one.
Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let a coment like this
disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong that's just his point of view
and you should not be worried about it (unless Robert is your boss, jejejje)
good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those who have achive their goal
that helps us all aswell.
OH and one last question, do you wake up in the morning and have all the
kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you get this kwoledge?
Uhhhhh trough experience?
PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God i'll be a CCIE that have
been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years)
Regards,
Ludwig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Carter" <Robert.Carter2@telus.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE #9240
> Oh boy. I'm gona get some hate mail for this but...
>
> This is clear proof that the CCIE is heading towards MCSE-land. Here is
> another great example of someone who basically had their CCIE bought for
> them. What happed to experience? This person has hardly seen a router 16
> months ago! What does this say about the future of the CCIE? I have worked
> with a disturbingly large amount of CCIEs who inadvertently trash the
> certification because they completely fail in real world environments.
>
> With repetition and incentive you can teach any dog a trick.
>
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Church, Chuck [mailto:cchurch@USTA.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: 'Khan Munib'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: RE: CCIE #9240
>
>
> Kahn,
>
> Congratulations. It's a tough journey, without a doubt. But your
> persistence paid off.
>
> P.S. The CCIE online store is now open, according to an email I got the
> other day. Nice stuff they've got!
>
> Chuck Church
> Sr. Network Engineer
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> US Tennis Association
> 70 W. Red Oak Lane
> White Plains, NY 10604
> 914-696-7199
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Khan Munib
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:22 AM
> To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: CCIE #9240
>
>
> Well Finally it my turn to send this mail!!!!!
>
> Passed yesterday in Brussels (3rd attempt). I was beginning to wonder if
I
> would ever get there. Firstly I would like to thank God without who
nothing
> is possible. I would also like to thank my family for their immense
support
> and patience.
>
> It's been a hectic 16 month Journey from Dec 2000 when I attained my CCNA
> and was just getting into networking and had hardly seen a cisco router.
I
> have learnt so much over the last year, when I look back I cant believe
how
> far I've come. My company, Fujitsu (formerly ICL) has given me excellent
> support and carried the bill for all my exam attempts etc. I would also
> like to send a special Thank you to all at Netlogic Consulting, They have
> guided me along the whole path through CCNA, NP and IE. Their courses
were
> excellent and their after sales support proved invaluable to me in getting
> prepared for the LAB. I would seriously recommend any of you guys in the
> UK who are looking for a CCIE prep course to consider them,
> www.netlogicconsulting.com, their lab scenarios were key to me
understanding
> and learning all the different technologies.
>
> This list has also provided a great resource to find out info for
> me.......Although I have been a relatively passive member I have learnt a
> great deal from the discussions and also been greatly amused by some of
the
> OT discussions. Keep up the hard work everyone and don't give
> up.........everyone can get there in the end.
>
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