From: Ludwig A. Morales (morales_l@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Apr 11 2002 - 09:04:12 GMT-3
I'm sorry but I disagree with you in some way, of course experience is
invaluable and more than that is people skill (I'm a field engineer and some
times it's more important to leave the client with a smile than even solving
the actual problem immediately, things like keeping him informed along the
solving process etc are not acquire studying for CCIE) but to put to almost
ignore the certification like you just did, mannn that wrong.
Now, let me tell you a short story to prove my point, when I started
studying for CCIE my company sent me and my partner to a series of
bootcamps, the training center first did a survey to customized the lab by
asking your level in theoric experience and practical experience, while
introducing ourselves to the instructor he interrupt one of the attendees
because some of his answers on the survey came to his attention, he remember
that student to always put higher grades in all technologies when referring
to practical experience that to theory, an when ask this what his textual
answer "Almost everything I can configure right away but from the then
router is the blackbox of a plane, I just don't know what's happening inside
and when thing fails don't ask me why, most of the time I erase everything
and start from the beginning" and that exactly what you avoid when
employing a CCIE, the person you just hire is fully qualified to design and
troubleshoot not only ridiculous scenarios but also day to day stuff.
So my friend the issue still the same, getting a CCIE not only show you
know Cisco's way of doing stuff, it also show perseverance, commitment,
discipline and what any employer looks for a employee the capacity learn
HI-tech stuff in a short time frame and be able to adapt.
Are you an employer?
hsb (I'm note a CCIE (yet!!) but have 7 years of IT (networking
xperience) - included so I won't get the usual flames about not knowing
what it is to have experience)
Ludwig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hansang Bae" <hbae@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE Market Lately
> At 04:56 PM 4/10/2002 +0000, Bill Mckenzie wrote:
> >I would also like to be included in the responses. Even though I'm about
5 months away from taking the lab, and the numbers seem to be growing
exponentially now, I'm wondering if there will be the jobs out there for all
the CCIE's that there will be.
>
>
> Certs alone will never get you job (if it does, you won't last very long).
This is true for even the CCIE track. It *used* to be more difficult simply
because study guides/bootcamps didn't really exist. Not that it's a blow
off exam or anything, but it isn't rocket science either.
>
> We turned away four CCIEs because they didn't have much experience. They
kept saying "during my lab studies...I saw this and that" "during my lab
studies...blah blah blah" There's more to an enterprise network then
knowing how to configure ridiculous scenerios on 6-10 routers, afterall! :)
>
> I don't mean to be discouraging, but I don't think people should have
unrealistic expectations of CCIE certification.
>
> In the end, your experience and people skills will help you keep your job.
Not a four (soon to be five) digit number after your name.
>
> That doesn't mean people should stop studying. I find my self *still*
reading atleast two hours a day. One thing about networking...there's a
*lot* of material out there to study! :)
>
> And I still read groupstudy and
comp.dcom.sys.cisco/alt.certification.cisco so I can learn.
>
> hsb (CCIE 8041 - included so I won't get the usual flames about not
knowing what it is to be a CCIE)
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