From: Thomas Larus (tlarus@xxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Jan 12 2002 - 14:03:57 GMT-3
Good advice. We are all investing way too much time and money to take
any chances with certifications that Cisco can take away any time it
wants. If you've read one of the agreements that you have to sign to
book a lab date or take the written exam, you will note that Cisco can
take your CCIE away for getting complaints from a government agency
about how you did a networking job. There also was a clause that made
it look like Cisco could yank your cert for badmouthing their products
without trying to resolve the problem with them first. That may be a
slight misinterpretation, but it seems that all CCIEs have a contractual
duty to bring problems with Cisco equipment to Cisco's attention. The
point of all this detail about the agreements is that we are very much
in Cisco's power on this matter (as we are anytime we as individuals
sign an agreement with a big company). Threatening to steer customers
away from Cisco products if they yank your certification is a little
like saying you'll never take your kids to Disneyworld. That will
really teach Disney to treat you better. NOT!!!
There is one guy on this list who works for Cisco who asks questions
like, "Does anyone know if xxxxx is on the lab?"
I do not know if he is trolling for violations. Probably not, because
if Cisco had someone trolling for NDA violations, they would probably
not have the guy use his Cisco email address.
As for the guy who is grousing below about how Cisco does not tell us
enough about the exam, he must be new to this list. Cisco puts a lot of
info out there, but it does not put it all in one convenient place. You
have the Lorne Braddock hour-long webcast that I cannot play on my
low-bandwidth machine (but have seen a transcript posted somewhere
referenced in the archives here). That webcast has all kinds of guidance
straight from the horse's mouth. Also, the Cisco Press Practical
Studies book gives considerable guidance about the lab exam. Look at
their instructions in the lab scenarios in that book. I have never
taken the lab, but I think that it is safe to assume that these resemble
the instructions on the real exam. As for the diagram, I think there is
more than enough public record guidance out there about this matter. As
for partial credit, I think the answer to that is a matter of public
record and is not hard to find. The number of points and the passing
score are well-know known and a matter of public record. The public
record (non-NDA) answers are out there, but don't expect Cisco to hand
every one of them to you in the email they send you when you book your
lab date.
Darn. I am a sucker for these kinds of time-wasting threads, and now
I've added to it.
If not being able to learn the answers to these basic questions from one
convenient source bothers you, you will hate it when you get to the
point a lot of us are at, when we realize how much we need to know to
pass, and know that we are nowhere near that point yet, and there are
all sorts of arcane-seeming matters that we must master to be on the
safe side, and even then we will not be safe.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Roberto Iannuzzi
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:17 PM
To: Giveortake@aol.com; Bobby.Mann@roundheaven.com; szigeti@cisco.com;
jay@west.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: at the lab exam
Be wise about what you put in this Newsgroup. There are a couple of
people
in this newsgroup that like to blow things up and get you in trouble. If
Cisco doesn't know about what you posted then these unrelenting people
will
stir havoc in the newsgroup first and tell Cisco about it later. Cisco
has
no choice but to then enforce their NDA.
** This is some friendly advice **
Regards...
----- Original Message -----
From: <Giveortake@aol.com>
To: <Bobby.Mann@roundheaven.com>; <szigeti@cisco.com>; <jay@west.net>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: at the lab exam
> Can someone explain to me any other type of exam where the NDA is so
strict
> and scary that individuals are afraid of discussing stratedgies on how
to
> draw a lousy picture? There is no other exam that does not have
published
> material that covers
>
> 1) How many points do I need?
>
> 2) How many total points are there?
>
> 3) How is the exam marked (which is an answer that no one knows and
> probably highly subjective)? Yes I can ask for a remark by if I
failed
why
> bother to spend the extra couple hundred bucks...
>
> 4) What is the structure? As in do I need to get all tasks complete
in
a
> section in order to earn the points?
>
> 5) Should I draw my own picture or not?? (which frankly I believe
Cisco
> should provide you a picture of the diagram that you can mark on)
Just
for
> grins I wonder if the proctor would fail you for writing on the
official
> diagram. OOOOPPPPSS I openly stated they may have provided me with
a
> diagram. Is that a violation? Then again I said may have provided
me...
>
> Stupid as I am, I actually walked into this exam without the above
> information. Makes it very hard to pass irrespective of how good I
may
or
> may not be.
>
> Please do not respond with answers to the above since I know the
answers
that
> their are actually answers to. My point is simply that every
professional
> test has basic information about it widely available to the public
including
> but not limited to medical exams, Bar exams, broker exams, insurance
exams,
> CPA exams, etc. so why is Cisco so ridiculous or the cult that follows
Cisco
> so ridiculous to the point that even the above questions are
considered by
> most NDA type information. After all they are not openly printed on
Cisco's
> sight which must mean they are NDA violations..... Right?
>
> There is a difference between guarding the integrity of a testing
process
and
> providing basic information concerning format beyond 1day,xx routers
and
xx
> switches, know everything.
>
> In my opinion the above is not testing knowledge but dedication to a
> "product" and wallet size.
>
> Hope I entertained you all....... Feel better now.
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